Lord of The Rings

[Orfinn]

Glorfindel? Yes he was a pop up hero that got clicked away....sad

In the movie Glorfindel was also known as Arwen...

You should just be happy Tom Bombadil didn't pop up outta nowhere.

They left Tom out of the movies because he didnt fit to well, he didnt have much to add to the story. Frodo only met once as far as I can remember and Tom had a wife. The movies would be too long if they added the meeting between Tom and Frodo.
And why would the movies be worse if they added Tom? We just dont know how it could have been like and we will never know either.

[DaemianLucifer]

Glorfindel? Yes he was a pop up hero that got clicked away....sad

In the movie Glorfindel was also known as Arwen...

You should just be happy Tom Bombadil didn't pop up outta nowhere.

They left Tom out of the movies because he didnt fit to well, he didnt have much to add to the story. Frodo only met once as far as I can remember and Tom had a wife. The movies would be too long if they added the meeting between Tom and Frodo.
And why would the movies be worse if they added Tom? We just dont know how it could have been like and we will never know either.

Yet they tossed poor Bill in the movie.How did he fit in there,I have no idea.

[ThunderTitan]

@Orfinn:

Read what i said again.

[Gaidal Cain]

Yet they tossed poor Bill in the movie.How did he fit in there,I have no idea.

As the packhorse of the hobbits and Strider? Notoriously gone during the attack on weathertop, but visible in other scenes...

[DaemianLucifer]

I just remembered one extremly funny movie.I forgot the title,but the story goes something like this:Terrorists hijack a plain and plan to crash into new yourk,with a cargo of nerve gas they smuggled aboard.Americans send a commando team in,and they manage to kill all of the terrorist,loosing just one commando,pilot and copilot,and two of the pasengers,and damaging just that plain and losing a military jet.Once again,life showed how ironic it can get,a few years later on september the 11th.

[ThunderTitan]

Here we go again. The Eye was not Sauron. It was the Eye of Sauron, a different entity, as clearly described in the books.

Huh? I'm pretty sure the Eye of Sauron was more of an expresion, not a diferent entity. And in the movie it was kinda implied that Sauron was that big eye.

[Caradoc]

Here we go again. The Eye was not Sauron. It was the Eye of Sauron, a different entity, as clearly described in the books.

Huh? I'm pretty sure the Eye of Sauron was more of an expresion, not a diferent entity. And in the movie it was kinda implied that Sauron was that big eye.

Sauron was incorporeal. As I recall the Eye of Sauron simply served as his Palantir. In addition to the Eye of Sauron, there was the Mouth of Sauron who spoke to the heroes at the dark gate.

But I'm sure you are right. Movie goers need to see the bad guy.

[ThunderTitan]

I doubt that Sauron was incorporeal as he needed fingers to wear the ring. And I do recall a mention somewhere about him having only 4 fingers at the time (he was regenerating, that's why he send the Nazgul after the ring, he already had a body), but I don't recall where, in LotR, or the Silmarillion.

[theLuckyDragon]

Sauron had a body similar to that of a elf/man, just much more impressive, until the Downfall of Numenor. After that, his spirit managed to escape back to Mordor where he took his new image of terror and horror, as we see him in the Battle of the Last Alliance, in the first part of the movie.

He had 5 fingers, and then Isildur cut the one with the ring. Doing this, he separated Sauron from a great part of his power, and Sauron 'disintegrated', only his malicious spirit persisting. After 3000 years, he is capable of physical manifestation again, not as a body, but as a gigantic fiery eye.

This is just is choice; he could have appeared as a giant turnip if he wanted; as Tolkien explains in the Valaquenta, the Valar and the Maiar don't need physical shapes to exist, just as we don't need clothes to be human.

The Eye of Sauron is the (metaphorical)name of his manifestation during the period of the war. The fate of the palantirs he found is unknown, but it's unlikely that he 'absorbed' them somehow. He is probably able to use them by force of will or something, withouth direct contact.

As for the Mouth of Sauron, that was just a human or something who was subjugated to Sauron's will, thus communicating his intentions. Sauron used telepathy or something of the sort to transmit his thoughts to the human.

[ThunderTitan]

See, that's where you got it wrong. Both Morgoth and Sauron lost most of their shapeshifting powers because of their fall and in Saurons case being destroyed with Numenor (he couldn't take a beautiful shape). In the book Gollum mentions him only having 4 fingers (- the one Isildur choped off).

The Eye of Sauron is the same as the Mouth, and expresion meaning one of his powers. What would an eye do with the Ring? Even PJ admited he got it wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauron

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Sauron

[theLuckyDragon]

See, that's where you got it wrong.

Are you talking to me or to someone before my post?

Anyhow, an Eye would do nothing with the Ring, but would do everything with the power encased in it.

[DaemianLucifer]

Only morgot lost his shapeshifting completely,but sauron didnt.But he was regenarating during the war.

[ThunderTitan]

Both of you are wrong. The shapeshifting had nothing to do with the regenerating. As spirits both could assume any physical shape they wanted, but eventualy both, or at least Morgoth, lost that power and could only take 1 physical shape, the one which most represented their state.

Sauron couldn't take a beautiful form anymore, it didn't actualy say that he has stuck in one form like Morgoth, but he never appears to take another physical form except the Tall Dark Armoured Guy, so it's debatable. Also, as he put most of his power into the One Ring he might need it to be able to shapeshift.

And the Ring would need to be worn on a finger to work.

[theLuckyDragon]

Morgoth lost more than his shapeshifting ability... he was banished from the world for good at the end of the War of Wrath.
Yes, Sauron was still regenerating, but this process was severely hindered by the fact that a great deal of his power was in the Ring and he didn't have it.

note: Mods, please fix my previous double-post. It's because of my connection, it has some periods when I'm not quite sure it's working perfectly so I click the submit button again.

[ThunderTitan]

Dodn't Morgoth lose the ability to shapeshift before he was banished?!

And Wiki says that Gollum mentions Sauron having only 4 fingers, so he had a body, he wasn't an eye.

[theLuckyDragon]

He certainly did. I didn't imply otherwise.

bla bla bla...at the end of the War of Wrath.

As for Sauron, I guess it's true if Gollum says... I haven't read the book recently.

[DaemianLucifer]

Morgoth wasnt banished,he ran away.

[ThunderTitan]

At the end of the War of Wrath the Valar imprisoned him again. When he escapes the world will end.

@tLD:

I do recal someone mentioning that Sauron had a body in the book, and Wikipedia says it's Gollum. I heaven't read the book in a while either, but I do remember that when I read it after seeing the first movie I relized that in it Sauron wasn't a big eye.

[Gaidal Cain]

And the Ring would need to be worn on a finger to work.

Are you sure? Even if Sauron did disintegrate when physically severed from it, he did (in the movie) wear it outside of the armor, which would imply that direct contact isn't necessary. It's possible that a spirit Sauron might have been able to use some the One Ring's power to form himself a new body, for example, after which he couldwield it freely (didn't he do something like that after the fall of Numenor?).

[Fenris]

@tLD:

I do recal someone mentioning that Sauron had a body in the book, and Wikipedia says it's Gollum. I heaven't read the book in a while either, but I do remember that when I read it after seeing the first movie I relized that in it Sauron wasn't a big eye.

Yup, it's Gollum. He says it in The Two Towers. When they're in the dead marshes I think.