AI, that bad ?
AI, that bad ?
I play hotseat (v1.2) with a friend and some AI. We play at heroic level. The AI players are braindead, wandering around with small armies. When they invade our territory they usually forget to take mines and stuff. Sometimes their main hero shows up with some laughable army and is forced to flee. Rinse and repeat until he gets really killed and hands you presents (magic items).
This is taking the fun out of this game for us, we don't want to play humans only. I thought HoMM4 AI was very bad, this one isn't any better.
I heard that Nival planned to continously improve the AI with patches. Is v1.3 AI much better ? There seems to be little hope, just checking the readme. Are there any AI mods ? I can't believe the community is not steaming about this. I really like this game but without a decent AI it is a waste of time.
This is taking the fun out of this game for us, we don't want to play humans only. I thought HoMM4 AI was very bad, this one isn't any better.
I heard that Nival planned to continously improve the AI with patches. Is v1.3 AI much better ? There seems to be little hope, just checking the readme. Are there any AI mods ? I can't believe the community is not steaming about this. I really like this game but without a decent AI it is a waste of time.
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Seems that people got vastly different opinions about the A.I. Starting to think it's related to which maps you play.
The consensus is that it's challenging because it cheats. It bullrushes people in week 3 or 4 with everything upgraded. If you survive until week 6 or 7 then you will win.
It sounds like you survived the bullrush and now are dealing with scraps.
Seems that people got vastly different opinions about the A.I. Starting to think it's related to which maps you play.
The consensus is that it's challenging because it cheats. It bullrushes people in week 3 or 4 with everything upgraded. If you survive until week 6 or 7 then you will win.
It sounds like you survived the bullrush and now are dealing with scraps.
Do not remember being rushed at all. Even if this would prove how bad the AI is (cheating and rushing to get a win).
I'm coder of the Dawn of War AI mod and made a small strategic game (www.titansofsteel.de) with AI. I can tell you that the HOMM5 AI is really weak. How hard is it to steal an enemy mine while passing it ? How hard is it to give your main hero a decent army, not just 20% of what is possible ?
The tactical AI is not that bad but the strategic AI is killing the game for me. Sad indeed as it has so much potential.
I'm coder of the Dawn of War AI mod and made a small strategic game (www.titansofsteel.de) with AI. I can tell you that the HOMM5 AI is really weak. How hard is it to steal an enemy mine while passing it ? How hard is it to give your main hero a decent army, not just 20% of what is possible ?
The tactical AI is not that bad but the strategic AI is killing the game for me. Sad indeed as it has so much potential.
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Hey larkin!LarkinVB wrote:Do not remember being rushed at all. Even if this would prove how bad the AI is (cheating and rushing to get a win).
I'm coder of the Dawn of War AI mod and made a small strategic game (www.titansofsteel.de) with AI. I can tell you that the HOMM5 AI is really weak. How hard is it to steal an enemy mine while passing it ? How hard is it to give your main hero a decent army, not just 20% of what is possible ?
The tactical AI is not that bad but the strategic AI is killing the game for me. Sad indeed as it has so much potential.
You have good tastes with games!
You and Thud should really give some tips to nival!
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I haven't explored how moddable HOMM5 AI is. Is there any online info for modding this game ?
Will be interesting to do an AI mod. The game does need one desperatly.
@Campaigner : The DOW AI is moddable using the script language lua. We started early 2005 and now we have some nice AI going. The next expansion for Dawn of War will feature an improved AI interface so we can make it even better.
Will be interesting to do an AI mod. The game does need one desperatly.
@Campaigner : The DOW AI is moddable using the script language lua. We started early 2005 and now we have some nice AI going. The next expansion for Dawn of War will feature an improved AI interface so we can make it even better.
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You mod the game by putting *.pak files in the /data directory. As for A.I I'm not sure. And it's not worth it to post on the official forums since people in charge almost never answer. But create a thread anyway and after some time if you don't get a response from someone in the know then PM Fabrice. He's the producer.LarkinVB wrote:I haven't explored how moddable HOMM5 AI is. Is there any online info for modding this game ?
Will be interesting to do an AI mod. The game does need one desperatly.
The developers only care about their Russian forums so not worth asking on their english board. However you could get a Russian to ask for you. Mentioning your accomplishments in DoW is a good merit which will hopefully make them take you more seriously.
Well, if it is that complicated then I have no interest. Relic (company doing Dawn of War) at least gave modders some basic support. They have a developers website with lots of documentation. If Nival is not capable doing this then they should not get support from the community.
Can someone give me the a link how to contact this Fabrice ? I'd like to know his oppinion about improving the AI. I guess a good AI mod (if possible at all) won't hurt their sales.
Our Dawn of War AI mod has gathered a lot of praise so I guess this may open some doors.
Can someone give me the a link how to contact this Fabrice ? I'd like to know his oppinion about improving the AI. I guess a good AI mod (if possible at all) won't hurt their sales.
Our Dawn of War AI mod has gathered a lot of praise so I guess this may open some doors.
Who cares about your thinking when it is obvious that the AI lacks.
Do you want me to make a list of its failures just to convince you ?
If it is ok for you does not mean it is ok for the majority of players.
Seems you are one of Nivals fanboys here. This is fine but don't stop others to improve this game, please.
Do you want me to make a list of its failures just to convince you ?
If it is ok for you does not mean it is ok for the majority of players.
Seems you are one of Nivals fanboys here. This is fine but don't stop others to improve this game, please.
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I'd actualy like to see a list. Might come in handy.LarkinVB wrote: Do you want me to make a list of its failures just to convince you ?
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Read my top post. There is a lot more. A non cheating AI as it is will fail miserably against any mediocre player (that I am).ThunderTitan wrote:I'd actualy like to see a list. Might come in handy.LarkinVB wrote: Do you want me to make a list of its failures just to convince you ?
Strange that players who never coded some AI are so sure that everything is fine as it is. It is not.
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For some ppl the sHINY is enough. But someone should make a comprehensive list of the crp it does, i just don't feel like putting myself through that, i'm currently trying to trick someone into it.LarkinVB wrote: Strange that players who never coded some AI are so sure that everything is fine as it is. It is not.
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I don't just want to make a list as it is unlikely that Nival will fix it. I want to fix it on my own and like to get Nival to give me some basic support.
This is of course assuming that their AI is moddable at all. Some games have a good AI interface with some scripting language, others have their AI hardcoded. Hope Nival falls into the first category.
This is of course assuming that their AI is moddable at all. Some games have a good AI interface with some scripting language, others have their AI hardcoded. Hope Nival falls into the first category.
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Oh, i never thought they would, i just wanted some concrete ammunition. Coz concrete really hurts when it hits you.LarkinVB wrote:I don't just want to make a list as it is unlikely that Nival will fix it.
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LarkinVB: I just remembered that the A.I was done by Ubisoft (the publisher). The producer mentioned that.
You can reach him by PMing him. His name here is Muaddib But alot of newbies bother him all the time so he may think that your PM is just one of the other 40 he gets every week so either a thread in the official forum or getting a fansite admin to talk for ya would maybe be better.
A thread in the official forum with your merits in it will surely get alot of people interested so perhaps their community manager will take note. (I would still PM the producer no matter what though).
You can reach him by PMing him. His name here is Muaddib But alot of newbies bother him all the time so he may think that your PM is just one of the other 40 he gets every week so either a thread in the official forum or getting a fansite admin to talk for ya would maybe be better.
A thread in the official forum with your merits in it will surely get alot of people interested so perhaps their community manager will take note. (I would still PM the producer no matter what though).
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No, he goes under Muad'dib over here. His avatar is a Pickachu. But going through a mod will prob be simpler.Campaigner wrote: His name here is Fabrice
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