XEL II wrote:
Yeah, he only was one of its main developers
I was afraid it might be something like that.
But then we ended up with this. Perhaps they were originally supposed to be aliens that looked like demons as Greg said, trouble is that the rest of the team appear to have taken this a bit literally and populated the world with traditional fantasy demons complete with basically a hell-like place complete with a fiery pit where the souls of the damned descend as can be seen above. These aren't aliens that happen to look like demons, they now resemble demons so completely that they ARE demons.
This theme of course been expanded upon in Heroes IV, Heroes V, Heroes VI and Dark Messiah. So basically speaking the demons won over the aliens in the actual development of the series. Sad perhaps but true never the less.
Avonu wrote:
As for the rest - no comment. You have been told no once, not twice, not even dozens of time about game facts and you still want to ignore them. Your choise, but your "Truth" will never be "righter", then what have been told in games or from game creators themselves.
Two things. Firstly I have already told you about
Death of the Author, what the authors say is not neccesarily automatically true simply because they happen to say it. Also Might and Magic is a
Shared Universe, which means that it is shaped by many authors. Here's what Tvtropes Death of the Author article says about Share Universes.
TvTropes wrote:
This is a given in works where the authors don't hold copyright and can be replaced, especially Shared Universes; if a writer is fired and replaced by another, anything the old writer has stated in interviews can be (and often is) freely Jossed by the new writer.
It is a given, which means that even if in general one does not accept Death of the Author, because Might and Magic is a Shared Universe then Death of the Author applies. What this means is that one cannot wield the statements of authors when dealing with Might and Magic
Verse as if they were equal to canon. Quite simply, a large number of people, working for a large number of companies have collectively created Might and Magic universe (especially if you include gameplay and art); the names of many of whom we probably do not even know. There is no way it can remain faithful to single authors vision.
Secondly I have indeed been told about facts and have always adapted my opinions to the facts. None of my theories are exactly the same as they originally were, they have always been changed as new facts come to light, but the people I disagree with have an annoying tendancy to ignore any facts I have brought to bear supporting my theories.
BoardGuest80888 wrote:
Perhaps this is a bit of topic, but if this be true, then whom the Destroyer was sent against ? If the Kreegans were not the Kreegans and the "real Kreegans" have been destroyed with some help from the Ancients, then why they sent the Destroyer then ?
It is not off-topic in any sense, Escaton was originally activated because of the presence of kreegans was initially considered too much for the primitive natives to deal with. The possibility of the natives destroying the Kreegans was not factored into the equation.
Consequently Escaton was unable to stop the convergance, he's a computer really not a sentient being. There is no off-switch for Escaton, probably intentionally because otherwise the Kreegans might use it.
BoardGuest80888 wrote:
This lead to another question about the significance of Armageddon's Blade for the Kreegans (both type big smile ). If its main purpose is to destroy the world, then why made it in the first place ? The Destroyer would be send anywhere they go. Thus they can simply waiting for him and let him destroy everything then.
Because essentially the form of destruction that Escaton represents is a kind of reboot. It is the recreation of the original state which the Ancients will then use to create a new world eventually.
The kind of destruction that Armageddon's Blade represents however does not have this effect. Armageddon's Blade was accidentally used, that's what the Reckoning was. It leaves a world with no inhabitents nor Ancient installed defense systems to prevent demons from taking over and 'converting' it into a 'Fiery Realm' planet like the one in Heroes IV.
The kreegans are a race that essentially approximate the behavior of a plague of locusts but on an intersteller scale. They arrive, multiply, devour everything and move on. They didn't arrive with an Armageddon's Blade because they are biological creatures ultimately, they want the resources of the planet to live. Kreegans unintentiallymake a place a barren polluted wasteland, demons intentially make a world a molten volcanic wasteland.
Kreegans are from a demonic POV a means to get rid of troublesome locals. Demons are from a kreegan POV useful allies in their conquest of the planet, keeping everyone busy while they built up their strength. A bit like the Cult of Baa but more useful.
The reason the kreegans eventually tried to build Armageddon's Blade was politics. They had been in charge of the Kreegans for some time, but when in Might and Magic VII the last Kreegan hive and queen was killed (they are like social insects in the way they live and reproduce), but with no means of multiplying they could no longer get rid of the pesky locals for their demonic 'allies'. So enter Armageddon's Blade. Remember that there is no Kreegan future, only a few Kreegans in command of the demons.
What they intended to do once they had Armageddon's Blade is a question. Likely they would bargain with the demons, getting themselves a place in the Fiery Realm as high-ranking demons in their own right and so continuing to rule over their demonic servants forever.
BoardGuest80888 wrote:
IIRC Armageddon's Blade destroyed the world only when it collided with the Sword of Frost. Neither the Kreegans, the Ancients nor the Destroyer had a hand in there.
If Xenofex really betting on it, just how much chance that Gelu and Kilgor would actually used them in such a manner ?
By that time the kreegans had been wiped out and the Rome to Byzantium transformation was complete, the Kreegans went home to the Fiery Realm. Yes the Reckoning was Armageddon's Blade at work and it was completely an 'accident'.
But yes Lucifer Kreegan could have activated Armageddon's Blade but I doubt he shared the secret with the Kreegans in general or with anyone else. Politics remember, he has to made himself invaluable.