Cast-only Warlock
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- Leprechaun
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Cast-only Warlock
hiho there
i think you all know what the subjekt is about, using only stalkers and that "insert t6 ug2 eng name" to have about 3-4 free spells you can cast before the enemy charges you, making you the most awesome creeper ever.
i would like to know how this can be done so well that you can even compete with human players.
when i play a singleplayer game, i get no other creatue producing structures most of the games and invest all the ress on a high lvl mages guild and artifacts, hopely giving me mana asap. mana from ritual or guild, the rest is a no-brainer. getting spellpower and intelligence, erratic mana n stuff and cast some empowered meteor/implosion/armageddon(if needed) etc. since you need no items or skills to enhance you creatures damage or defense you can get superior firepower. but only if you drop anything about cratures, its hard to get a mix here, allowing you to do that much damage.
well, back to the question:
is this style playable vs. human players somehow or just an awesome ai abuse?
i think you all know what the subjekt is about, using only stalkers and that "insert t6 ug2 eng name" to have about 3-4 free spells you can cast before the enemy charges you, making you the most awesome creeper ever.
i would like to know how this can be done so well that you can even compete with human players.
when i play a singleplayer game, i get no other creatue producing structures most of the games and invest all the ress on a high lvl mages guild and artifacts, hopely giving me mana asap. mana from ritual or guild, the rest is a no-brainer. getting spellpower and intelligence, erratic mana n stuff and cast some empowered meteor/implosion/armageddon(if needed) etc. since you need no items or skills to enhance you creatures damage or defense you can get superior firepower. but only if you drop anything about cratures, its hard to get a mix here, allowing you to do that much damage.
well, back to the question:
is this style playable vs. human players somehow or just an awesome ai abuse?
Actually it's faster than other human players that have another faction
To keep things simple you get destructive to expert, then secrets of destruction, pick enlightenment of sight(intelligence, arcane intuition) and afterwards logistics. The basic idea is level up as fast as possible and kill neutrals at a fast pace which is easy with stalkers and furies.
Sorcery is not needed for early, secrets of destruction and the town already give you 3 knowledge and soon you should gain some on your own. Now you may ask how you can be sure to pick up enlightenment that fast.
You can't. But since it is 8% you can focus of destructive and irresistible spells and you'll almost always get it after some level ups.
That way I have managed to get lvl 22 day 14 on let's fight(Yrwanna). Dungeon can typically take down horde of tier 3 week 1 and lots of tier 7 on week 2(say 35 emeralds). What you need is a fire spell and ignite.
To keep things simple you get destructive to expert, then secrets of destruction, pick enlightenment of sight(intelligence, arcane intuition) and afterwards logistics. The basic idea is level up as fast as possible and kill neutrals at a fast pace which is easy with stalkers and furies.
Sorcery is not needed for early, secrets of destruction and the town already give you 3 knowledge and soon you should gain some on your own. Now you may ask how you can be sure to pick up enlightenment that fast.
You can't. But since it is 8% you can focus of destructive and irresistible spells and you'll almost always get it after some level ups.
That way I have managed to get lvl 22 day 14 on let's fight(Yrwanna). Dungeon can typically take down horde of tier 3 week 1 and lots of tier 7 on week 2(say 35 emeralds). What you need is a fire spell and ignite.
I, for one, am dying to find out what colour they paint Michael's toenails.
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There's honorable hit and runs?
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- Leprechaun
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you just dont understand me. i want to know how i can win against human players with this style. if there is nothing to change, its ok.marcus.visor wrote:
i would like to know how this can be done
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yes, i know HOW its works
i dont have money or ress for them, it would slow me down.For the big battle you are supposed to bring the rest of the troops.
i didHe has probably never heard of hit and runs.
If you want honorable hit and run, you can do it Japanese style. Get Mentoring. Train some baby Warlocks into Empowered Meteor Shower slinging bastards. Best results will require Swift Mind, but you can do without.
Now you have a steady supply of Kamikaze Heroes, show them the meaning "MAH ARMY MELTED!"
Now you have a steady supply of Kamikaze Heroes, show them the meaning "MAH ARMY MELTED!"
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it is not. i just wonder how this works against intelligent beings able to find you cloaked units without using other creatures. i u get some, you wont be able to creep so fast, etc.If you did then the thread is pointless. Besides you can't have your cake and eat it too, that's as good as cheating.
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Rare thing seeing Elvin that impatient with begginers... hehehe
I thought it was a good point he brought, oh nordic friend.
May I try a different approach?
You say you got to lvl 22 in 14 days in a particular case.
Lets put it like this: With this very same char in this exact situation, would you be able to beat a regular (lets say) lvl 15 with properly distributed troops and skills?
...or the trick works for neutrals only?
Cheers,
W.
I thought it was a good point he brought, oh nordic friend.
May I try a different approach?
You say you got to lvl 22 in 14 days in a particular case.
Lets put it like this: With this very same char in this exact situation, would you be able to beat a regular (lets say) lvl 15 with properly distributed troops and skills?
...or the trick works for neutrals only?
Cheers,
W.
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Lol Phoenix
@Wolfsburg
The reason I did not continue the argument is that it matters little whether you win or not. Given the chance a warlock should always attack week 2-3, have 6 stalkers cast invisibility and fireball the enemy to death. If you win you win, if not then you retreat and lose some stalkers while the opponent loses the bulk of his forces.
Now in the specific case let's say that the opponent has 17 lvl, assuming that he beat most stacks. I'd say that he has very low chances unless he was lucky to get armageddon, curse of the netherworld or meteor shower.
There is one more trick the opponent can use but a risky one. Attack with 7 spellcasters that have an aoe spell(druid elders - stone spikes, archmage - fireball) and cast in the places you saw the stalkers disappear
By week 4 it goes without saying that if you attack you expect that you will have to retreat, invisibility is not enough to win a big battle.
For the record I don't hit&run against human opponents, I simply prepare and have a final fight unless the game drags on a lot and I need to decrease the opponent's forces.
@Wolfsburg
The reason I did not continue the argument is that it matters little whether you win or not. Given the chance a warlock should always attack week 2-3, have 6 stalkers cast invisibility and fireball the enemy to death. If you win you win, if not then you retreat and lose some stalkers while the opponent loses the bulk of his forces.
Now in the specific case let's say that the opponent has 17 lvl, assuming that he beat most stacks. I'd say that he has very low chances unless he was lucky to get armageddon, curse of the netherworld or meteor shower.
There is one more trick the opponent can use but a risky one. Attack with 7 spellcasters that have an aoe spell(druid elders - stone spikes, archmage - fireball) and cast in the places you saw the stalkers disappear
By week 4 it goes without saying that if you attack you expect that you will have to retreat, invisibility is not enough to win a big battle.
For the record I don't hit&run against human opponents, I simply prepare and have a final fight unless the game drags on a lot and I need to decrease the opponent's forces.
I, for one, am dying to find out what colour they paint Michael's toenails.
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