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Celestial Heavens  → Might & Magic: Heroes VI - Haven - Tempt not a Desperate Man

by maltz

INTRODUCTION

Hm... Mission 3 at v1.1.1 does not look like a finished product. There are two serious bugs and one obvious flaw. The first bug could get you stuck forever. The second bug usually renders one of the side quests unable to be completed. The flaw? This mission is way too easy. The neutral stacks are usually smaller than those found in Haven mission 1, and of course smaller than those in mission 2. The AI is unable to build walls in all of their towns, which are usually defended with a miserably small garrison. Most bosses, including the last one, do not even have high-tier units!

Dynasty Traits: As Griffins, Blazing Glories and Sun Crusaders take the center stage of your battles, Elite creature +1 growth looks pretty good! Free first generic hero never disappoints, too. By the way, you will still reach the level cap easily, so again all chests can be cashed as usual. There is no need to waste precious crystals at Seven Dragon Shrines.

Haven Campaign Mission 3
Level cap: 24
Difficulty Index: 1/6
Last updated: November 24, 2011

You start in the northwest corner of the map. A so-so secondary magic hero joins you (she will return on mission 4, too, with the exact same condition that you left her here.) While she looks like a kick-ass heroine, she has no healing spell! But she does have some town-management Realm feats. I used her as a "house keeper", traveling across towns to commission discounted upgrade buildings and ship new units to Anton when a new week arrives. Maybe give her the Regent artifacts (you should already have 2, and you can find another 2 in this mission) to increase her effectiveness in the supporting role.

Rush northeast and pick up your first town (A). This will be your only town and primary source of recruitment for a while. Next, you need a stable supply of Wood, Ore, and crystals. The nearby Sawmills are marked by (1); Orc Pits are marked by (2); and Blood Crystal Mines are marked by (3). You can't flag the second Blood Crystal Mine to the northeast for a while, but just keep in mind there is one. You can first sweep clean the vicinity of Town A to collect some easy resources. The ruins, pyramid, and barbarian camps on this mission frequently give several Blood Crystals. They are all very lightly guarded.

There are two roads leading to south, which will eventually converge and connect to a neutral Fort and then some enemy Sanctuary territory. While this sounds like a strategic choke point, the Sanctuary heroes will never bother invading you from the south. Their scripted army will come to your east side. At one point, I even saw two heroes coming at the same time. So let's focus on the east first so we can beat the invasion as soon as they show up. Take Fort B if you have not already done so. Immediately to your east is a Sanctuary Fort C that's very easy to conquer - why not?

The Sanctuary invasion lands at (4), which is quite close to both Fort B and C. There is nothing else you can do to stop, even to block the invasion. The Sanctuary heroes can apparently walk on water, so they have lots of options. In the meantime, you can keep expanding, and come back when the invasion arrives. The invasion actually emerges from the one-way portal at (5-5'), and you won't be able to get to (5) until much later in the mission. The sanctuary heroes do like to go straight after your nearest undefended town or fort. If you want to have a one-day warning, get the unique town building Statue of Revelation and reveal the area around (5').

A passive-aggressive strategy is to lure the AIs close and finish it before it can escape. Town E is perfect for this purpose. You can build an Advanced Town Portal here. This was the only Advanced Town Portal I built in my game, and it was handy for travelling purposes later, too. But we can't take Town E yet, since we can't walk on water.

For now, clean up the neutral stacks, pick up resources, and flag the mines in your territory. Develop Town A well. You can build a Basic Town Portal in Town A and use a secondary hero to ship new units to a nearby fort or town.

It would be a good idea to stay in your northern territories until the arrival of the second wave of invasion. However, if you are very efficient at cleaning up neutral creatures, you might be able to launch the next phase of expansion before the second wave arrives. Your next target is Town D to your east. It is quite a straight walk east of Fort C. This town, like many others you will see, is very lightly guarded.

Before going mad on the resources around Town D, there is a shipyard at (6), allowing you to build a ship and quickly return to Fort B/C area. Chances are some Sanctuary's hero have arrived, or will arrive soon. A ship also gives you direct access to Town E. Now you can go ahead and rob Town E from the imbecile AI! You will also receive a side quest to convert 2 Sanctuary towns.

BUG ALERT: If you play normally - taking Town E when you can - this "convert 2 Sanctuary towns" side quest is bugged and can never be completed. I once read a work around - you have to trigger the next stage of the main quest (see next "bug alert" section) before activating this "convert 2 Sanctuary towns" side quest. But it is very counter-intuitive. Fortunately, you don't lose anything important for being unable to finish this side quest.

Now you have Town E, and it will serve as your front line from now on. Get an Advanced Town Portal in there as soon as possible. If you see an army coming out at (5'), return Anton to Town E on the same turn, and the AI hero will either charge Anton, or be within Anton's reach in the following turn (don't forget to leave a ship on the shore of Town E). Your territory is from now on forever safe.

Town E is isolated in the middle of a lake, with no associated resource or creature buildings. Let's call this lake "the upper level". The whirlpool at (7) is one of the four in this mission. Entering any of them seems to randomly take you to one of the other three. There is one whirlpool on the upper level, two on the middle level, and one on the lower level at (8), just beside Town F. You can access a number of Forts and Towns from the middle and lower level lakes, including a creature building in the middle level. It is in no-man's territory, so the creature building will remain yours even after you leave.

Let's take Town F just because we can! It just right there begging to join the Light side. Town F is defended by a larger army than you saw before, but it is still very weak compared to mini-bosses in earlier missions. With your superior home production, you should be able to handle them easily with a week or two of fresh units. In the meantime, you can clear the area of Fort C and Town D, if you have not already done so. There is an extended area west of Town D, including a Crystal Mine (3) and some stats boosts (s). You must have seen them from Fort C.


Now is time to progress the main quest, which could be seriously bugged if not done early enough. Before you do anything else, use the Statue of Revelation to reveal the area marked by (9) (reveal the area a little to the south just to make sure it works). You should see an opened gate at (9) and a Sanctuary hero just south of it. When you move Anton (any other hero should work) close to (9), which is just a one-day trip from the middle-level lake, the enemy hero should dock inside the castle, the gate should close, and a dialogue should trigger between Anton and some secondary characters.

BUG ALERT: The serious bug involves an additional Sanctuary hero blocking the gate and hence the access of the designated Sanctuary hero. Later on, when your Anton gets close to (9), the game freezes up. I read that the only solution to this bug is to prevent it - by revealing the location of the gate beforehand, and trigger the side quest to advance as early as possible (before the game puts a gate-blocking hero there). It is also possible to complete the "Convert 2 Sanctuary Towns" (Snakes in Heaven) side quest if this side quest is triggered AFTER the main quest advances. But that would involving skipping Town E and F and head directly to (9) after taking Town D. How would one know to go to (9) first? This area is not designed to be visited early judging from the increased stack sizes.

Now you have the main quest and the enemies' invasion under control, you can happily work on the rest of the map. Let's dig up the Tear of Asha. All of the four moon fragments are marked (MF) on the map. You should have picked up two around Fort B. If you follow the road south from Town A, you can flag Fort G. There is your third piece of moon fragment directly above it. Keep going south and you can take Fort H from Sanctuary. From Fort H, you can go southeast to (10) to flag a warpath lodge (+3 movements for defeating an enemy) and grab the fourth and final moon fragment in the middle of an isolated area. The location of the Tear is marked on the map (Tear). It is within two days of travel from Town A. Install the Tear in your capital and cheer! What an overkill in this easy mission (but the completely moon shard will save you in early mission 4). From Fort H, you can go north to take over the Sanctuary Town I and Fort J. They should be very easy as well.

You now have everything but one town, Town K, the source of invasions. It can only be accessed with a little quest work. As a Blood-Might Anton, I was told to visit a mansion at (11). After a very relaxed mini-boss fight, I was given an artifact that increases siege weapon's structural damage by 1. Now all I needed to do was to march any hero close to (9) to watch the wall crumble.


When you have finished businesses with your new territories, march a fully-loaded Anton through (9) either via ship or the shallow-water path above the falls, and take Town K like slapping a baby AI. The neutral creatures east of the river finally look a little promising, but the Sanctuary AI was as weak as before. By the way, there is an interesting Easter egg statue and sign northwest of Town K.

Lucky for us, this non-challenge is almost over. Finally, march through the portal at (12-12') to beat the extremely weak boss at (13). Did you expect a boss as powerful as Miranda back in Necropolis mission 3? Too bad.
Comments
danhvo at 2013-11-17 06:50 wrote:
I am pretty sure your choice of Valeska or Lord Kilburn doesn't depend on whether you're a might hero or a magic hero. It depends on whether you follow the blood path or the tear path, respectively. I played a Paladin and got Lord Kilburn. But this brings up an interesting question: if I had not chosen a path by Mission 3, which sidekick would the game give me? Has anyone tried this out?
Revol at 2013-10-07 21:16 wrote:
Signed up to post this just in case, But the "sidekick" hero isn't allways Valeska. if your a Magic Hero(custom or swapped anton that is) You get Lord Kilburn. and Yes. his skill placement sucks too. Also, not sure why but in my first game I went after Town E first, then on my way to Town D 2 sactuary heroes Teleported in, first one with about 150 of each troop (vs my like 40-50 of just 3 core) and then a second hero with about 2-3 weeks of normal single town sactuary growth like the first invaders.
Edited on Mon, Oct 07 2013, 17:17 by Revol

Sir_Toejam at 2013-08-23 00:58 wrote:
@thoram:

If this is your first campaign, this is not a great map to level weps on, no matter what. A really good one is the last map for the sanctuary campaign, where you can indeed rush it profitably; it actually appears to be designed with a rush in mind. You can ignore the entire middle of the map, and most of the areas in the wolf duchy area (red) until you kill the breeder queen. once you have set up a save where you have collected all the powerups and artifacts you want for your heroes, and are ready to finish it, save it, and then simply wait a few months for the creature stacks to grow huge, then save as a map for when you want to level weps. Easy to get 3 million for your weps in 20 mins, and you have so much money, you can hire a new hero any time you want to level another weapon. I waitied about 4 extra months, until I hit a "+15% experience from battle" week, then saved it. I've levelled 6 weapons so far on that map from level 4-5, in a grand total of about 3.5 hours time.

use the soulforge to get any wep you want to level 4 easily. It still works for all the weapons except the dlc and expansion weps.

Sir_Toejam at 2013-08-16 22:39 wrote:
Man, who designs these secondary heroes? It seems inevitable that the skill points are assigned to the most bizarre areas. Valeska is just... terrible!
habadacus at 2012-03-17 23:46 wrote:
Just wanted to mention that with patch 1.2 I was able to play the game without any special precautions and all the quests completed normally.
Thoram at 2012-01-30 18:19 wrote:
In order to avoid the mentioned side-quest bug, I skipped towns E & F and it worked fine too.
A => B => C => D => G => H => I => 9 (main quest) => E => F => ...
Maybe going to 9 directly after D via boat with a secondary hero could be a viable alternative. But I didn't try that.

Just as a side note:
I hate how the game punishes players who rush quickly for high scores, especially if you follow this (very good) guide. This means low level dynasty weapons and low dynasty rank because you fight only small armies (little XP) before they get big. So on this map, I rushed all towns / forts / mines while avoiding almost all neutral stacks. Then I waited for ~10 months without doing anything and after that I cleaned up the huge neutral stacks. A nice boost to the dynasty & weapon, but only champion (second highest) score.

Arabmoney at 2012-01-16 21:17 wrote:
I have had another minor bug when doing this level. Its an AI bug and it was very annoying. When you capture towns E and D this may happen to you. A sanctuary hero will come out of the whirlpool 7 and look as if he is about to attack E, when you port your secondary (or primary hero) there to defend with a suitably large army hel run and go to D, which he will reach in just 2 turns. Once you port someone to D he will run back to E, and if you cover both D and E he will run to fort B and if that is covered (together with E and D) he will run to C. So basically, because of having sucky movement over water as boats arent availavle on all sides of the lake you just keep getting kited around and there is no way to catch him, and he will just keep going until he captures all of your towns. However, there is a way to stop him from capturing B,C,D,E all it turns out you need to do is leave E non-protected when he comes to the area just outside of the castle in the water (which you ofcourse can't reach because you probably don't have a boat there) if you do this he will just go away and leave you alone for ever (this doesnt work with B,C,D as he will just go ahead and cap them, and if there is a small army there he will kill it. To be fair this will probably never happen to anyone, but it annoyed me so much because there is genuinelly no way to stop him without loading an extremely early save and placing boats on every corner of the river or camping the whirlpool.

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