|Storm-giant at 2012-06-05 17:18 wrote:|
|I found something. Since I'm study I'll just link to la Torre de Marfil thread with google translator, it should do the work, check it out:|
Still we don't know about what genre it is ;|
|Kalah at 2012-05-06 21:00 wrote:|
|Back on topic, there's definitely something going on ... even customer support are getting ready for something. :)|
|ThunderTitan at 2011-06-25 13:41 wrote:|
>>I have a more extreme theory. They are two from the band of heroes from Might and Magic VII, which passed through a gate and ended up there, transformed into dragons in the process. Or they are the dragons the heroes brought with them.<<
X-Men did it: SIEGE PERILOUS!
|hellegennes at 2011-06-12 13:37 wrote:|
|I have a more extreme theory. They are two from the band of heroes from Might and Magic VII, which passed through a gate and ended up there, transformed into dragons in the process. Or they are the dragons the heroes brought with them.
I'm joking of course. :p
Basically, even though I hope this will change, I think that the producers created the new universe because they wanted to assimilate Blizzard's universe, which is a standard place, with its established lore and stuff, rather than moving from planet to planet every few titles. I understand this move in that they see that the fans can bond better with a strictly continuous universe. Blizzard has proved this, making a fortune out of Warcraft. It is most probable that all future titles will just feature this planet and the affairs and politics already established, unless they go for a reboot. That they are trying to imitate things from Warcraft and Warhammer is quite obvious in almost every aspect.
|ThunderTitan at 2011-06-11 22:41 wrote:|
>>Anyway, who would Asha and Urgash be in origin?<<
Like i said, another alien race, it's not like a place as big as a galaxy need only have 2 space capable races...
|GreatEmerald at 2011-06-11 13:17 wrote:|
|To the land of Axeoth, I mean. The plays and such.|
|Corlagon at 2011-06-11 10:12 wrote:|
it has plenty of references to HoMM4 and such
There isn't a single reference to Heroes IV or its events anywhere, at all, in MM9 (aside from Nicolai and Fjall Bodilssen making vague references to the Reckoning).
|GreatEmerald at 2011-06-10 18:15 wrote:|
|My thoughts as well. They made King's Bounty, were happy with it, then created HoMM1 as an updated version but had no intentions of adding sci-fi elements since it was still not much more than KB. Then in HoMM2 they just decided to join the threads, but not so far as to include the sci-fi part of them. And when HoMM3 came, it was already too late. But that doesn't mean that sci-fi doesn't belong in HoMM, it's just that the fanbase is different.|
|hellegennes at 2011-06-10 17:54 wrote:|
|That's what I'm saying. They didn't employ sci-fi because Heroes' fanbase was different and had no recollection of the setting being the base of a scifi lore. Part of it, is because Heroes was not originally meant to be in direct relation with MM. It was a remake of King's Bounty bearing the title of MM, quite possible to add marketing value to the series. Of course it was filled with tons of easter eggs from the MM universe, mostly in the form of creatures and heroes' names. These were all different people though. It wasn't until H2 when it was decided that the two series share a common plotline. At the time, MM6 was in the works, so they chose to merge the plots. I may be wrong about this, but all things point in the direction of H1 not to have been planned as having a direct relation with MM.|
|GreatEmerald at 2011-06-10 14:14 wrote:|
|I mean that it's not the same continent as in HoMM4. But it's the exact same planet.|
Again, they couldn't make it a sci-fi town or HoMM2 players would have been flipped out.
|hellegennes at 2011-06-10 12:59 wrote:|
|It's not a continent, it's a planet. Enroth was destroyed and they had to flee. Kreegans in MM look nothing like those in HoMM. And it's not that they had only 2 units. There were various demons. HoMM inferno was built with a Dantic hell picture in mind, throwing in some mythological creatures as well. Do their towns look like spaceships or like Dante's descriptions? If you've read Divine Comedy, you know the answer. Hell, the relative chapter is called Inferno.
Do you really think this was not a conscious choice?
|GreatEmerald at 2011-06-10 12:27 wrote:|
|MM9 might not have sci-fi elements, but for one, they might not have had the time to include them (the game's a freaking beta to begin with), and even if they didn't plan to include them, it has plenty of references to HoMM4 and such, a lot of information about Axeoth. It's definitely not a new universe, simply a continent.|
And once again, Kreegans look like demons because they look like demons in MMs as well. It just wouldn't be nice if you had a town consisting of two units, now would it. Besides, once again, remember that they forgot/didn't deem necessary to include sci-fi into HoMM2, and HoMM3 was created with HoMM2 players in mind. They couldn't have included spaceships unless they wanted death threats, and when they summoned enough courage to do that, they got them.
|hellegennes at 2011-06-09 13:05 wrote:|
First of all, I have pointed out myself that there is a mention of the ancients in the intro. But that's just a single line; you can't even consider to be background. Claiming this is a connection to the series is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know if they had plans for Nicolai, but his place in MM9 was a plain easter egg. He did not have any importance to the game other than a silly subquest that could have been for any other character. It was just an easter egg mention of the circus arc quests in MM6 (key to the plot, may I remind you). I remember no other reference to sci-fi elements in MM9.
Now, about Heroes, even though the Kreegans appear, I don't remember any direct reference of them being an advanced alien race. While in MM they appear as an alien race and that's that, in Heroes games they appear as demons. More of a supernatural thing than aliens. Even their line-up suggests that they aren't the same thing. No-one looks anything like the Kreegans from the MM series. They all look like various creatures from hell. They have cerberi and efreeti (which was in MM but not Kreegan) and familiar and fiends. Their 7th level tier is a DEVIL for crying out loud! He even looks like the devil and not a Kreegan. Clearly, the whole line-up was created to remind gamers of spawns of hell, not an alien race.
|Avonu at 2011-06-09 06:56 wrote:|
|Asha - S.H.E.L.T.E.M. unit|
Urgash - C.O.R.A.K. unit
|XEL II at 2011-06-09 06:29 wrote:|
|Urgash's demons could be demons pf the same type as demons from Ancients' worlds.|
Anyway, who would Asha and Urgash be in origin?
|ThunderTitan at 2011-06-09 06:24 wrote:|
|That's because Urgash sucks at making stuff, that's why he's all into chaos, because then he can claim he totally meant to make that look like he spilled paint all over the floor.|
|XEL II at 2011-06-09 06:20 wrote:|
and of course Urgash is the one that thought Kreegans expies should be included too...
Ashan demons don't resemble Kreegan sufficently, and the Ancients had demons among their children-races. On the other hand, considering hw antagonistic Sheogh demons are to all other inhabitants, Urgash could be somehow related to Kreegan.
|ThunderTitan at 2011-06-09 06:04 wrote:|
|He's just a map maker, i doubt he has much say...|
|XEL II at 2011-06-09 04:10 wrote:|
And that is what keeps hopes of salvation up, even as unlikely as it actually is.
Totally agreed. Lets hope Marzhin isn't all that submissive to UbiHole as it seems and will propose (or has already done it ) something like that ;)
|XEL II at 2011-06-09 04:07 wrote:|
but MMIX had absolutely nothing in common with previous games on these terms
Wrong. MM IX mentons the fact that Axeth is one the planets created (like XEEN) or colonised (like Terra and Enroth) by the Ancients right in the opening cinematic. And there are numerous hints and clues on sci-fi, backstory, etc in the game itself. And the "mention of Roland" was not an easter egg, Nicolai Ironfist himself appeared as an NPC and was to play a role in future games.
NWC have changed settings for its games, but there was always solid connection between them in terms of lore, and game worlds were all part of the same universe. Ardon (Crusaders of MM, Warriors of MM, Shifters) and Axeoth (MM IX, HoMM IV with addons) are no exception.
|XEL II at 2011-06-09 03:54 wrote:|
Why do they insist on putting Might and Magic first? It just sounds stupid. It's like if Spielberg decided to call Indiana Jones "Lost Ark Raiders" instead of "Raiders of the Lost Ark."<br>Edited on Wed, Jun 08 2011, 21:18 by vicheron
Because Might and Magic is the main series, HoMM is just part of it, a sub-series.
|XEL II at 2011-06-09 03:50 wrote:|
|No, Heroes never had sci-fi elements implemented because it just happened so that their storyline was always not big enough to touch sci-fi aspects of the setting. There was no "avoiding" involved whatsoever, for instance, level 7 creatures of Inferno are members of extremely advanced and malevolent intergalactic race with hive-based society called Kreegan.|
NWC has always approved sci-fi in HoMM sub-series and said it belongs there because Heroes is part of MM universe.
Q: DOES SCIENCE FICTION BELONG IN HEROES?
And this was written after the Forge town was cancelled, so one can tell that NWC did it under pressure (i.e. death threats) and was still considering sci-fi authentic to HoMM.
Q: WILL THE FORGE RETURN?
GF: Perhaps , but not in its current form.
|vicheron at 2011-06-09 01:18 wrote:|
|Why do they insist on putting Might and Magic first? It just sounds stupid. It's like if Spielberg decided to call Indiana Jones "Lost Ark Raiders" instead of "Raiders of the Lost Ark."|
Edited on Wed, Jun 08 2011, 21:18 by vicheron
|hellegennes at 2011-06-08 22:43 wrote:|
|By the by, Heroes never had sci-fi elements implemented because of how different the fanbase was related to the MM fanbase. Remember the death threats NWC employees received for even thinking of making the Forge? Sure, the series was related to the MM storylines but the plot elements were clearly avoiding the main plot behind MM, making it seem like it didn't exist. See also how Ironfist came to Enroth via portal, so did its refugees in H4 and MM9 (to the next world).|
|Ya5MieL at 2011-06-08 18:52 wrote:|
|> So if Ubi ever wants they can easily justify it with minimum lore changes (like the cosmic egg being a space ship) and just adding new stuff. <
And that is what keeps hopes of salvation up, even as unlikely as it actually is.
Edited on Wed, Jun 08 2011, 14:52 by Ya5MieL
|ThunderTitan at 2011-06-08 18:26 wrote:|
|It's universe with one world in it and some dragons that made it... and so far it doesn't look like they got to anything more then one solar system... |
They could easily be alien-dragons, and the world could be their attempt at recreating the Ancients planet making shenanigans... and of course Urgash is the one that thought Kreegans expies should be included too...
So if Ubi ever wants they can easily justify it with minimum lore changes (like the cosmic egg being a space ship) and just adding new stuff.
|GreatEmerald at 2011-06-08 18:11 wrote:|
|Ubisoft quite clearly stated that it's a universe, not a world. So there are no Ancients or any sci-fi elements whatsoever.|
|hellegennes at 2011-06-08 17:44 wrote:|
|What is so different in this world? It can still be related to the Ancients. What? Is it because it's a different world with different creatures, factions and lore? NWC kinda did it every now and then. And maybe H4 was not that different in lore and factions, but MMIX had absolutely nothing in common with previous games on these terms. Ok, it had one and only mention of the Ancients in the introduction and the chance to fight a single dragon. Lore and creatures were vastly different, moving from general fantasy to Scandinavian lore. Gameplay was hugely different, as well as the mechanics, skill development and battles. The only other mention to the old universe was Roland but that was more of an easter egg than anything meaningful.|
|GreatEmerald at 2011-06-08 16:30 wrote:|
|Resources, yes. Talent or ideas, I doubt it. Either way they nuked the old universe, so anything that happens in the new one is kind of irrelevant.|
|ThunderTitan at 2011-06-08 16:18 wrote:|
>>As long as it's not anime like Clash of Heroes.<<
And he just jinxed it...
|MMXAlamar at 2011-06-08 16:09 wrote:|
|Sounds amazing, I can't wait!
As long as it's not anime like Clash of Heroes. I mean guys, let's see what Ubi can do with the series. They have the resources to make a great game.
|Tale at 2011-06-08 00:38 wrote:|
|GreatEmerald said: ""X of Might and Magic" means original universe, "(Might and Magic) X" means Ubiverse."
Hey, Might and Magic X sounds great to me! I vote yes.
|ThunderTitan at 2011-06-07 21:20 wrote:|
|They're 2 games too late for that i'm afraid.|
|GreatEmerald at 2011-06-07 21:07 wrote:|
I would prefer "Raiders of Might and Magic". But the more games - the merrier.
"X of Might and Magic" means original universe, "(Might and Magic) X" means Ubiverse.
|ThunderTitan at 2011-06-07 21:00 wrote:|
>>I prefer The Magic Might Raid Her, but maybe that's just me.<<
I believe they already made a game like that, called Custer's Revenge.
|Pitsu at 2011-06-07 19:26 wrote:|
|might and could but never will|
|admira99 at 2011-06-07 19:20 wrote:|
|or a movie? there are already a cast speculation http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=35279
PS: It is a joke, don't take it too seriously
Edited on Tue, Jun 07 2011, 15:25 by admira99
|JSE at 2011-06-07 17:27 wrote:|
|Should UbiSoft actually be self-reflective here? -- The Might and Magic raiders? :)|
|Skullmane at 2011-06-07 15:48 wrote:|
|Seems like "Might and Magic: Paydirt" to me.|
|Angelspit at 2011-06-07 15:30 wrote:|
|I prefer The Magic Might Raid Her, but maybe that's just me.|
|Ya5MieL at 2011-06-07 15:19 wrote:|
|I would prefer "Raiders of Might and Magic". But the more games - the merrier.|