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News  → Answers From the Devs

Two weeks ago, questions were submitted to the Heroes VI developers, and the time has come for them to cough up some answers. This time, the focus is on the Ashan timeline.

Q: How much time passes between the M&M Heroes V games? How many years pass total between the beginning of H5 to the end of Tribes of the East?

A: The essential dates to remember, and what is really important in the big picture, is the time that passes between the end of the original H5 game (YSD 969) and the beginning of Dark Messiah (YSD 990). Those twenty years are the period in which Sareth, son of Queen Isabel and Kha-Beleth, who is the potential Dark Messiah, grows up.

Q: What happens to the Sylvan faction after their High King Alaron dies? Who takes charge of Irollan?

A: Findan, due to his exemplary conduct during Queen Isabel's War, is appointed regent. It is a safe choice, as he has never coveted the throne and his integrity is unquestioned. Thus, it will lie to him to decide how the next ruler and ruling clan will be selected. This is a separate episode in the history of Irollan.

Q: What other Dark Elf Clans exist besides Shadowbrand, Soulscar and Nightshard? And what other Free Cities exist besides Stonehelm?

A: Further details of the Dark Elves are planned to be unveiled in future episodes, so we would rather not give out that information right now. Other notable Free Cities include Foster's Reach, Listmoor, Eridan Crossing, and Karthal. And there is another one that the community will learn more about over the coming months ...

Q: Are there really 3 moons in Ashan? If so, which one is the Primordial Dragon Asha buried in? Can all 3 open the gate to the demon prison during eclipse?

A: Ashan has only a single moon where Asha lives to overlook her creation. The moon is in fact a cocoon that Asha wove around herself to heal and rest after the Dragon Wars. However, this moon, like ours, has several phases, and the people of Ashan consider that, like Asha, it has three main aspects, or "faces":

1) The face of Death (the Spider Queen), symbolized by the New Moon.
2) The face of Life (the White Mother), symbolized by the Full Moon.
3) The face of Destiny (the Blind Maiden), symbolized by the Changing Moon.

As the moon is Asha's realm, within Ashan's fiery core is Urgash's prison. A Blood Moon Eclipse is a time when the planet Ashan blocks the sun's rays from striking the moon; Asha is thus "eclipsed" by Urgash.
Comments

jeff at 2011-01-30 17:02 wrote:
I can’t believe I am commenting again on the ‘story’ but all of the Heroes I – IV (chronicles included) were fairly well written. Even H-IV with the reckoning I enjoyed. The important thing was the fact most of the ‘Heroes’ carried over. My one complaint with H-IV was they didn’t bring more of the heroes with them. One of the many things I hated about H-V is they didn’t have of the heroes I had grown to enjoy with all of the previous chapters. I think they may have added a few back in later for whatever reason, but it was way too little, way too late. This is one of the main reasons IMHO, I feel they should change the name; there is no true tie in to the history of the previous chapters. The editor in H-V was so poorly designed for the non-geek that I could not even attempt to keep the old heroes alive by creating my own maps.

XEL II at 2011-01-30 05:58 wrote:
>NWC also made stupip moves like destoying Enroth after we (players) saved it many times from destruction. They could move to Axeoth like they do it in case of Ardon in CoMM/WoMM series but NWC choose otherwise.<

The thing is that after MM8 there was a financial crisis cooking up at 3DO. Becuse of it, JVC and oher original writers and designers contributed little to the final version of HoMM IV, while Heroes Chronicles (like HoMM IV) had a different writer (Terry Ray), and MM IX didn't even had JVC among its designers. That's why story in HoMM IV and Chronicles is a bit "off". But HoMM IV campaigns on themselves were well written.

And aside from Reckoning and totally unexplained and conceptually alien Ancestors, from what NWC didn't really do any stupid moves in the storyline.

vicheron at 2011-01-29 22:07 wrote:
>Right and H6 is pointless because we know what happens in the future

It would be pointless if they started the game by telling you exactly what will happen at the end and that everything you do in the campaigns will be ultimately pointless because of an all powerful prophecy that will just "find a way" around all your efforts.

>NWC also made stupip moves like destoying Enroth after we (players) saved it many times from destruction. They could move to Axeoth like they do it in case of Ardon in CoMM/WoMM series but NWC choose otherwise.

But at least Heroes 4's campaigns were well written.
Edited on Sat, Jan 29 2011, 17:12 by vicheron

Variol at 2011-01-29 16:42 wrote:
I don't care about the story one little bit. I just want a good game, with lots of replayability.
The campaigns were always a little weird to me. You build map a map; then you start all over again...
The H4 campaigns were so bad, I could not even figure out where to go in them. And I have not even tried the H5 ones.

Kalah at 2011-01-29 15:06 wrote:
We are pushing for more info, of course. Hopefully, we'll get some more soon. :)

jeff at 2011-01-29 14:57 wrote:
Well it is good the devs answered questions about the story as many of you are concerned about it. For my part, I stopped caring shortly after starting HOF. Now that they have addressed the story I hope they will now starting giving more details about gameplay and the editor. That is all I really care about, give me an editor as good as H-IV and I’ll write my own story.

Avonu at 2011-01-29 14:29 wrote:
Time will tell.

Corlagon at 2011-01-29 13:53 wrote:
The H5 plot does indeed verge on the point of irreconcilability, I don't think anybody could ever fully disprove that :), but this doesn't mean Ashan is a total loss and can't be salvaged with a few well-advised moves and a decent storyline in H6.

Elvin at 2011-01-29 13:39 wrote:
Or that yes :p

Avonu at 2011-01-29 12:58 wrote:
lame excuses ;P

Elvin at 2011-01-29 12:53 wrote:
(mispeling Sylath, three moons, ...)
Sylath is not a mispel, Ylath is simply an alternate name. And the three moons isn't necessarily a mistake, could very well be an artistic choice for necro town since they did look pretty good.

Avonu at 2011-01-29 12:32 wrote:
XEL II - I think it's enough. Yes, scrapping all original work of NWC and story behind MM Universe and replacing it with common fantasy world like Ashan was very stupid move but we have to live with it.

NWC also made stupip moves like destoying Enroth after we (players) saved it many times from destruction. They could move to Axeoth like they do it in case of Ardon in CoMM/WoMM series but NWC choose otherwise.

Now, it's better to focus on pointing out Ubisoft own mistakes (about lore in this case) in their new world and lame excuse for them (mispeling Sylath, three moons, the whole HV original in-game plot, etc.), so they know what when are they going in wrong way.

XEL II at 2011-01-29 12:18 wrote:
The whole Ashan is pointless, in fact, because it was ungodly stupid to scrap the awesome original universe to replace it with something half-baked.
Edited on Sat, Jan 29 2011, 07:18 by XEL II

Elvin at 2011-01-29 12:15 wrote:
Right and H6 is pointless because we know what happens in the future http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

XEL II at 2011-01-29 12:12 wrote:
Best thing to do is send Sheltem to Ashan in order to cleanse cliche and unoriginality from it.
Edited on Sat, Jan 29 2011, 07:15 by XEL II

vicheron at 2011-01-29 11:55 wrote:
That's a real cop out answer. You might as well say that the whole game was pointless since the prophecy was going to be fulfilled anyway. If everything was predestined then why not just set the game after Dark Messiah and have it be about demons being released?

Elvin at 2011-01-29 11:36 wrote:
Done both? Nah, sharpshooters err arcane archers did not appear until tote :p

Raelag was waiting for the right time to make his move so even if Findan went straight to deliver the scroll, Raelag would still be there in the room with Isabel and Shadya. And after all.. Prophesies always find a way, if Findan had acted differently it would still have come to pass.

Avonu at 2011-01-29 10:55 wrote:
Findan was an idiot in HV (as all campaign hereos there in fact). He let Biara go for scroll which SHE destroyed anyway before Zehir can use it. So in the end, Findan made more evil with not capturing/killing Biara (all this Holy Isabel Church story arc).

To be honest, Findan, Godric and Realag never get a chance to redeem themselves in FoH or ToE unlike Zehir.
However Findan and Godric seem to have more brain cells in CoH.

vicheron at 2011-01-29 03:02 wrote:
Who said that he had to kill Biara? She would have been much more useful as a prisoner.

Plus choosing between the scroll and Biara was a false dilemma since he could have done both.

Also, the fact that he chose to save Irollan instead of going straight to Zehir doomed the world since it allowed the Demon Sovereign to create the Dark Messiah.
Edited on Fri, Jan 28 2011, 22:02 by vicheron

Elvin at 2011-01-28 23:57 wrote:
Well there was the option to let the world be destroyed or kill Biara. Opting to save Irollan could only help in appointing him as regent no? :) Besides he managed to do both.

vicheron at 2011-01-28 23:31 wrote:
>Findan WAS a diplomat so we can assume he knew a few things about the kingdom. Besides like the answer says he is temporarily regent and a pretty safe choice.

The character was so forgettable that I don't even remember that he was supposed to be a diplomat.

>With the world hanging in the balance? Preserving that scroll was absolutely necessary and he made the right choice to not succumb to his emotions.

Because capturing one of the top lieutenants of the enemy would have no strategic value right?

Plus Findan still succumbed to his emotions when he decided to save Irollan from the undead rather than going straight to Zehir and stopping the Demon Sovereign.

ThunderTitan at 2011-01-28 18:29 wrote:
Once the ganja kicks in the hair is what matters most...

Angelspit at 2011-01-28 16:47 wrote:
They're hippie elves... they probably choose kings based on who had the pretties hair...
Or who will provide the best weed.

Elvin at 2011-01-28 15:56 wrote:
With the world hanging in the balance? Preserving that scroll was absolutely necessary and he made the right choice to not succumb to his emotions.

Avonu at 2011-01-28 15:18 wrote:
Yes, letting Biara go after seeing how she slauthered Tieru was pretty "safe" and diplomatic way for future king or regent.

Elvin at 2011-01-28 13:57 wrote:
Findan WAS a diplomat so we can assume he knew a few things about the kingdom. Besides like the answer says he is temporarily regent and a pretty safe choice.

ThunderTitan at 2011-01-28 09:32 wrote:
They're hippie elves... they probably choose kings based on who had the pretties hair...

vicheron at 2011-01-28 09:21 wrote:
>And he also must be a horrible one-dimensional character with no personality, who likes ****ty rhyming.

He's also completely forgettable. Heck, the heroes in Heroes 1 and 2 were more memorable and they had no biographies, quests, or campaigns.

parcaleste at 2011-01-28 06:29 wrote:
>Yes, let's appoint a person who doesn't know anything about politics, economics, or diplomacy, and had no aspirations to learn any of that to be the king of our nation.<
<br>And he also must be a horrible one-dimensional character with no personality, who likes ****ty rhyming.

Findan?

XEL II at 2011-01-28 05:37 wrote:
>Yes, let's appoint a person who doesn't know anything about politics, economics, or diplomacy, and had no aspirations to learn any of that to be the king of our nation.<
And he also must be a horrible one-dimensional character with no personality, who likes ****ty rhyming.

vicheron at 2011-01-27 22:04 wrote:
Yes, let's appoint a person who doesn't know anything about politics, economics, or diplomacy, and had no aspirations to learn any of that to be the king of our nation.

XEL II at 2011-01-27 15:58 wrote:
>IIRC from dev letters from HV it was 18 years between end of HV and beginning of DM. And Laszlo's bio from HoF inform us about few years had pass between end of HV and beginning of HoF.<
The information from Q&A doesn't contradict that at all.

XEL II at 2011-01-27 15:54 wrote:
>However, info about another Free City which can be in HVI is interesting for me.<
I bet it has something to do with that city which was "founded by the refugees from Erathia" from HoMM V. Nice way to tie-in Ashan with M&M universe, actually. The only thing that remains is to explain the origins of Asha and Urgash, but that shouldn't be hard.

Elvin at 2011-01-27 14:12 wrote:
If so it's a good thing that they aim for a prequel :D

parcaleste at 2011-01-27 12:44 wrote:
^ +1, but still I have a tiny question about it - will Ashan continue it's devolution with the years pass?

Metathron at 2011-01-27 11:20 wrote:
Wow, I so don't care about those.

Avonu at 2011-01-27 09:32 wrote:
>>>A: The essential dates to remember, and what is really important in the big picture, is the time that passes between the end of the original H5 game (YSD 969) and the beginning of Dark Messiah (YSD 990). Those twenty years are the period in which Sareth, son of Queen Isabel and Kha-Beleth, who is the potential Dark Messiah, grows up.

IIRC from dev letters from HV it was 18 years between end of HV and beginning of DM. And Laszlo's bio from HoF inform us about few years had pass between end of HV and beginning of HoF.
Really Ubi, you should do your homework better then gave us answers which are not answering anything.


>>>A: Further details of the Dark Elves are planned to be unveiled in future episodes, so we would rather not give out that information right now. Other notable Free Cities include Foster's Reach, Listmoor, Eridan Crossing, and Karthal. And there is another one that the community will learn more about over the coming months ...

So we know at least what is Karthal from HV world map. And let me guess title for HVI expansion: "Rise of the Elves"? :P
However, info about another Free City which can be in HVI is interesting for me.


>>>A: Ashan has only a single moon where Asha lives to overlook her creation.

I suppose no one from Ubi played HV with Necromancers then? Or in next 400 years Ashan will gain another two shiny objects on night sky?

ThunderTitan at 2011-01-27 08:00 wrote:
Well this isn't at all disappointing...

I really hope there's more coming... and abut something more interesting then lore from 400 years later then when H6 happens.

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