|CloudRiderX at 2009-10-26 15:04 wrote:|
|Yeah, that's a good point. It would likely have been a huge turnoff for most veteran players if the first thing Ubi did was change the format of the title before even working on the game.
I guess it shows less bravado that they change it after they've cranked out a game. Almost like they think they've earned it, the basterds. :)
Edited on Mon, Oct 26 2009, 11:05 by CloudRiderX
|hobowu at 2009-10-24 00:10 wrote:|
Surely if the real plan was to establish a new brand with Ashan they'd have followed through and actually done it from the start with Heroes V...
They probably didn't do it with H5 since they wanted to pull more customers in (from the H3 and H4 players).
What they've done is to establish a new brand but use old names (marketing strategies :P) --> they did the same thing with dark messiah (which only carried the MM tag to attract players)
|GreatEmerald at 2009-10-23 17:22 wrote:|
|Maybe the understood how different it was only after all the complaints. And you can see that they are now trying to change HoMM5 (MMH5?) that way as well.|
|Corlagon at 2009-10-23 15:26 wrote:|
|Surely if the real plan was to establish a new brand with Ashan they'd have followed through and actually done it from the start with Heroes V...|
|GreatEmerald at 2009-10-23 11:30 wrote:|
|Hmm, I just understood that it means that we'll have to say MMH6 instead of HoMM6 now. That would help in making it clear that the universe is different from other HoMM games, so at least it's not all bad.|
|astral76minor at 2009-10-23 01:38 wrote:|
|Ubi is simply doing what they have to do. My only fear is that TBS will become a thing of the past. Monetary gain is important, though the heritage and traditions of our most cherished games is monumental. What is in a name? Then again, a picture says a thousand words.... It is content and context which matters the most.|
|CloudRiderX at 2009-10-22 03:51 wrote:|
|I must say, reformatting the name seems to be a bad decision, not because its inherently bad, but because it just doesn't need to be - if its not broken don't fix it. At least from our perspective it seems that way. So I can only assume that Ubi has something in mind for the series that would account for the name reformatting that we are not aware of.
Either that or Ubi is putting a spin on the series that would help people better associate Heroes of Might and Magic with Ubi, instead of 3DO. The only other reason I could think of would be maybe to try and hide behind the Might and Magic title itself, which has a signficant amount of credibility and renown among RPG's. It could be any combination of these ideas, too.
|shinyjam at 2009-10-21 22:09 wrote:|
|Agree with above, the only slight problem it cause is the need for extra explanation of the brand to new players. Then again, Crusaders, Legends, Messian, etc. mixing in and out, it's complicated as it is.|
|Ryder at 2009-10-21 21:30 wrote:|
|I've played MM1 to MM9, inc Swords. I've played Kings Bounty to Heroes 5. I've played Crusaders, I've played Legends, I've played Dark Messiah and personally, I dont give a flying feck that they've changed it. Some of you people need to lighten up, it's a name, you probably all call it Heroes 3 or Heroes 5 anyway, so who cares where Might and Magic is in the title. As long as the next Heroes game is better than the last (which shouldnt be hard) then surely that's all that matters.|
|HeroofPunk at 2009-10-21 20:01 wrote:|
|Also let me add that you guys should go to Soft: Ubis forum and complain like I did! xD
|HeroofPunk at 2009-10-21 19:51 wrote:|
|Yeah JVC come back! He must throw up every night when he sees what Soft: Ubi is doing to his classical masterpieces :(|
|Loco Blutaxt at 2009-10-21 15:01 wrote:|
|On the one side: 14 years of HoMM-history.|
On the other side: A marketig guy whispering evil words in the ears of SOFT:UBI (very nice name!) management.
Another point: What about the licenses? Would it be possible for e.g. JVC to re-animate the HoMM brand name when SOFT:UBI changes the name? :-D
|GreatEmerald at 2009-10-21 13:23 wrote:|
This might not be a bad thing. It could mean that they're consolidating the brand. The fact that they're putting the franchise under the "Might and Magic" name suggests that they may be planning to put out several games under the name.
They already have... Clash of Heroes. But if it's not RPG, it shouldn't have just Might and Magic in the front anyway.
|vicheron at 2009-10-21 12:08 wrote:|
|This might not be a bad thing. It could mean that they're consolidating the brand. The fact that they're putting the franchise under the "Might and Magic" name suggests that they may be planning to put out several games under the name.|
|HeroofPunk at 2009-10-21 07:56 wrote:|
|Yurian you should get a nobel price for the best comment ever hahaha! Awesome man! :)
And also about you people saying that people from the "new generation" wont remember Might and Magic, that is bullcrap! :)
I am only 16 years old (17 in less then a month!) yet I have played every Might and Magic there is! :) Also we play Heroes in school, alot of people are intrested and especially in Heroes 2-3 and MaMVI-VIII which also I believe is the best games!
|Yurian Stonebow at 2009-10-20 23:08 wrote:|
|What comes next? I wonder if we shall see the cunning marketing guys doing their best to persuade the Board to rename the company as "Soft: Ubi"|
|GreatEmerald at 2009-10-20 17:48 wrote:|
<...> the many from newer generations won't care about them with or without Ubisoft's help.
With our help, they could care. Even if you look at the projects like MMX and MMT, they have a generic naming scheme, and that could eventually cause confusion.
Though the point that it will stick out of other HOMM games is a good one... I agree with TT, if it's just floating around somewhere, it won't cause too much confusion - the name would look like "(Might and Magic) Heroes VI", which does make sense.
|ThunderTitan at 2009-10-20 11:38 wrote:|
|M&M: Heroes 6 sounds stupid. They need to fire their marketing guys. It's never a good idea to confuse people with stupid name changes, just ask Shaz... i mean Cpt Marvel, though that isn't their fault i guess. |
Way easier to just keep the order but have the M&M part encased in something like the pic in the OP.
|Akul at 2009-10-20 10:38 wrote:|
|[What! Might and Magic is an RPG series! That's a very, very bad idea! What gives, Ubisoft not only wants to destroy the story of the NWC continuity, but also make chaos in names so nobody would ever remember the RPGs! That's evil! :mad:]
I seriously doubt that they care about it. The old generations will not forget about old M&M RPG's and the many from newer generations won't care about them with or without Ubisoft's help.
|O_RenyRen at 2009-10-20 04:43 wrote:|
|This is a silly change. I could understand if they wanted to streamline the names better, but this is already well streamlined. The word Heroes being before M&M does not hide the connection between the two games. On the other hand, having HOMMVI as MMHVI will place the two games next to each other alphabetically (assuming they're not being categorized by genre) which may slightly increase sales because new people might see the connection because the games are side by side. And anyone who already plays and doesn't know of the change will ask someone who works at the store where HOMMVI is and if the person who works there is smart, they'll figure it out and point them in the right direction. I still think it's a silly change and in the grand scheme of things won't change anything at all. But worse things have happened.|
|Deadguy118 at 2009-10-19 21:44 wrote:|
|Seems to be a minor but unnecessary change. Seriously, of all the things to get up in arms about, a colon is not a big deal...|
|GreatEmerald at 2009-10-19 20:29 wrote:|
|I wouldn't mind if they called it something entirely different, like Magical Heroes or something, but this just causes unneeded confusion!|
|Marcus333 at 2009-10-19 19:06 wrote:|
|HeroofPunk at 2009-10-19 19:00 wrote:|
|OMG stop ruining theese old games, lets just face that the new games has absolutley nothing to do with the true MaM or HoMM and thoose, there are new factions, new heroes, new continent, apperently new names now to, new stories... So lets just say screw you Ubisoft!|
|Zamolxis at 2009-10-19 18:50 wrote:|
|IMO they've done way worse things to the franchise, next to which the name change feels like nothing. So from my perspective I don't understand what all the fuss is about. TBH, I think I actually prefer that they call it differently. It kinda makes sense: it doesn't feel like the old games, so it better not be called the same...|
|Ya5MieL at 2009-10-19 18:04 wrote:|
|If you google for early H5, HoF and TotE boxarts they are all using the Might and Magic: Heroes 5 label. There were small uprisings in Europe before any of those went gold so they changed it to classic version on at least some of the boxes if not all.|
|Avonu at 2009-10-19 17:04 wrote:|
|Corlagon - on website not game itself. :P|
|Corlagon at 2009-10-19 17:01 wrote:|
It always has been named like MM:(HV, DM)
Apparently not, this is what my game box looks like:
|Avonu at 2009-10-19 16:36 wrote:|
|Hmm... you all didn't noticed what was and is named Ubisoft's HV site? :P|
It always has been named like MM:(HV, DM). Probably as always - random marketing sentence - and we all know that menagers didn't know anything about gaming - they see only moneys, excel sheets and so on.
And no - I never liked this "MM:...", same as 3DO's "...of Might and Magic".
|Corlagon at 2009-10-19 15:36 wrote:|
|I don't like this one bit. It's just bad practice to rename a series after five games, [i:cc4eb41026]especially[/i:cc4eb41026] when "Might and Magic" is already a clearly defined brand of its own. First they market Ashan as "the Might and Magic universe", now they go and warp things even further.
I mean, why does Ubisoft feel the need to rearrange the series title of all things? Is it going to boost sales - no. Is it more recognisable - no. Is it more easily spoken - no. You can bet I'll be "protesting".
[quote:cc4eb41026]HOWEVER, I found one of the videos had a segment where it cuts from footage of him [...] it clearly says on his shirt:[/quote:cc4eb41026]
Yeah it's all over the place. Here's [i:cc4eb41026]really[/i:cc4eb41026] hoping it's a preliminary title, or a bad joke.
|CloudRiderX at 2009-10-19 15:15 wrote:|
|This idea carries alot of weight, because - and I don't know how many people saw my post on that PotD - the Youtube interview of the game developers of Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes was a hot topic of discussion because of the questionable text on the one developer's T-shirt. I checked out the video for myself, and it was difficult to tell what it said exactly because one of his legs is always blocking half of the shirt.
HOWEVER, I found one of the videos had a segment where it cuts from footage of him with one side of his shirt blocked off to him with the other side blocked off. If you grab the widget that controls the point of time in the video and move it back and forth very quickly so it switches between the pictures at a speed that makes it appear like a single picture - amidst a creature that resembles some sort of Behemoth, it clearly says on his shirt:
"Might and Magic: Heroes VI"
|grendel99 at 2009-10-19 15:08 wrote:|
|I'm cool with the name change as long as Heroes 6 comes our way, with a better design artist and less anime.|
|Qurqirish Dragon at 2009-10-19 13:52 wrote:|
|FWIW, my copy of H5 has the title looking like the earlier ones- the word "Heroes" and the number large, with "of might and magic" written in small text running under the "eroes" (with the H in front of it). The two expansions that I have, however, both have "Might and Magic" written on top, and the subtitle of the expansion is listed where "of might and magic" used to be.|
I never got dark messiah, so I cannot comment on that.
|GreatEmerald at 2009-10-19 13:20 wrote:|
|What! Might and Magic is an RPG series! That's a very, very bad idea! What gives, Ubisoft not only wants to destroy the story of the NWC continuity, but also make chaos in names so nobody would ever remember the RPGs! That's evil! :mad:|
|arturchix at 2009-10-19 13:19 wrote:|
|Well, I don't know - my H5 copy and expansions hold the title "Heroes V of Might and Magic" and DM is called "Dark Messiah Might and Magic".|
|Angelspit at 2009-10-19 13:17 wrote:|
|That was the case with Heroes V as well, even though some people didn't notice. And it was Might and Magic: Dark Messiah as well.|