A great looking map of the new world of Ashan. Thanks evilp.

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ThunderTitan at 2006-10-03 14:45 wrote:
Different maps. One from the H5 Collectors Ed, one from unknowns parts. We think that this one is after Dark Messiah.

Justice at 2006-10-03 14:45 wrote:
That could also be a possibility... Would be more interresting if he let the kreegan... Demons out though.

vhilhu at 2006-10-03 14:24 wrote:
what is the radical difference between these threads: "a map of ashan" and "the map of ashan"?

ThunderTitan at 2006-10-03 14:12 wrote:
As a half demon he is probably imune :D or they decided to come with some good end were the main character actually dies :)

By blowing himself and the demons up, so only a few managed to stay on Ashan.

stefan.urlus at 2006-10-03 02:27 wrote:
Not a bad map .... better than the one i got in the CE that's for sure

Justice at 2006-10-02 22:26 wrote:
As a half demon he is probably imune :D or they decided to come with some good end were the main character actually dies :)

ThunderTitan at 2006-10-02 21:18 wrote:
Seems like Sareth decided to be the Dark Messiah and set the demons free...

...and then he imploded.

Justice at 2006-10-02 16:39 wrote:
Seems like Sareth decided to be the Dark Messiah and set the demons free... Looks great though :)

Marzhin at 2006-10-02 09:25 wrote:
This fine map is far better than the one in H5. Still this "Lost Palaedra" thing is a bit strange. Do they want to tie Ashan with Axeoth ? Mmmmmm...

Orfinn at 2006-10-01 15:49 wrote:
Wow!That was one heck of a nice map :D

ThunderTitan at 2006-10-01 13:12 wrote:
I much prefer Golden Horde like Orcs. And steppes aren't exactly places to build a stationary comunity on. They should be present in most places, but having a part of the wolrd where they're prevalents is a good thing.

Kalah at 2006-10-01 13:09 wrote:
That's strange to me - orcs should be just about everywhere, scattered around like thieves and lowlives. :creative:

ThunderTitan at 2006-10-01 11:33 wrote:
Most likely new game then expansions. Grimheim, which i'm assuming it's the dwarfs lad, was on the map from the beggining.

And seeing where Heresh is, the big hole might indeed not be where Stonehelm was.

Also note the Golden Steppes, right next to the orc infested islands...

Kalah at 2006-10-01 10:43 wrote:
what makes you think there's more

The more vacant land as yet unexposed, the more chance does Ubi have of releasing more expansions. ;) I'm thinking they'll try for two or three of them before the cow is drained of milk.

Capt_Tripps at 2006-10-01 03:24 wrote:
The globe to the right appears to be another version of the map (complete with crater). Going by the globe, the continent to the south curves to the west and up. There's an island to the west of Al-Shazzar and a series of large islands or continents (dending on how you count them) beyond that.

There also appears to be 4 constelations in the background (griffin, serpent, wolf, ?). The two path around the Doomstar with Silveria and Ashan could be mapping some kind of planetary impact.

There's more, but I don't know the moon symbol, points, and constelations all work.

Lots of room for speculation,

soupnazii at 2006-10-01 02:07 wrote:
i dont think the crater is on Stonehelm. looks more like that un-named town to the east of Talonguard to me. i didnt play through the campaign yet, but does anybody know if that town is mentioned at all? cause it might have something to do with the crater, and even if not maybe with the expansion.

ThunderTitan at 2006-09-30 21:02 wrote:
Which might or might not be the eastern part of the main continent.

And i've just noticed where Heresh is. Damn, that is a hole right in the middle of the H5 map.

Eternor at 2006-09-30 20:41 wrote:
what makes you think there's more

The globe on the right bottom of the image hints that, there might be some land on the other side of the world.

ThunderTitan at 2006-09-30 15:19 wrote:
I wonder what's on the other side of the planet...

Well what makes you think there's more. Plenty of real maps begin and end in the Pacific without making it seem like the planet is round.

DaemianLucifer at 2006-09-30 14:44 wrote:
Tam Avlee, the Holy Griffin Empire, Palaedra, and Kreegar -- OMG... I thought Ubisoft had decided to create a completely new setting from scratch... Why then these obvious references? To make veteran gamers forget that Ubisoft really has no clue about what was going on in the previous games, to proof the designers' unoriginality, or as a big bad joke that sure spawns more bitterness and yearning (for the good old days) than giggles...

Nah,they just think that by putting in these names people will buy the game no matter what.Sadly,they are right in most cases.

JSE at 2006-09-30 14:29 wrote:
Tam Avlee, the Holy Griffin Empire, Palaedra, and Kreegar -- OMG... I thought Ubisoft had decided to create a completely new setting from scratch... Why then these obvious references? To make veteran gamers forget that Ubisoft really has no clue about what was going on in the previous games, to proof the designers' unoriginality, or as a big bad joke that sure spawns more bitterness and yearning (for the good old days) than giggles...

DaemianLucifer at 2006-09-30 13:53 wrote:
You will hardly find a fantasy world that doesnt resemble earth.This one is good in its differences.

Jerrie at 2006-09-30 13:05 wrote:
Indeed!

And I'm wondering why the world (on the globe view as much as in the old Heroes V map) is so much looking like Europe and the eastern regions...

Kalah at 2006-09-30 11:52 wrote:
I wonder what's on the other side of the planet...

ThunderTitan at 2006-09-30 11:07 wrote:
"Compare the positions of the Griffin Empire, Heresh and the tropical islands on the two maps. They do correspond."

In general position, not details.

Zombie_Inc at 2006-09-30 10:47 wrote:
Hmm, reminds me somewhat of Dragonlance....
Darkstroem at 2006-09-30 09:49 wrote:
Actualy the 2 maps don't corespond very well, so we don't know the scale of the land. For all we know the Doom Sea might be to the east of the H5 map. Unless the explosion move the continent to the south of the H5 map closer too.

Compare the positions of the Griffin Empire, Heresh and the tropical islands on the two maps. They do correspond.

ThunderTitan at 2006-09-29 23:46 wrote:
"According to the HOMMV map, all of what is now a huge crater was land before."

Actualy the 2 maps don't corespond very well, so we don't know the scale of the land. For all we know the Doom Sea might be to the east of the H5 map. Unless the explosion move the continent to the south of the H5 map closer too.

Clira at 2006-09-29 22:29 wrote:
It is a great work. I love it :). My soldiers your first target possesion of El-Safir :P. Very very long journey :). Nessus to El-Safir wow...
Edited on Fri, Sep 29 2006, 16:30 by Clira

Jerrie at 2006-09-29 21:56 wrote:
Very good observations, Warlock! Kudos to you! ^^

And I'm also on the side of those who think this is a very NEW map, most probably from Dark Messiah or from whatever is happening after it, as Stonehelm seems to play a very important role in the game, and blowing it up, changing a lot of its surroundings, forming new lands and kingdoms, might be just a decent means for a story writer to keep stuff interesting.

So that map might actually be a spoiler for Dark Messiah. Although something really immense must happen to dig such a hole... something beyond imagination. Apart from an asteroid. Maybe. Or similar stuff...

Edit: The central point of that whole thing won't be called "The Doom Sea" by coincidence ;D
Edited on Fri, Sep 29 2006, 15:57 by Jerrie
Darkstroem at 2006-09-29 19:52 wrote:
And is Stonehelm gone, or just too small to show up on that map?

According to the HOMMV map, all of what is now a huge crater was land before. And Stonehelm was in this area. So it's pretty gone...

Warlock at 2006-09-29 19:18 wrote:
Wasn't it "refugees from Erathia" though?

Yeah it was. One of the Necropolis towns says that.

ThunderTitan at 2006-09-29 19:14 wrote:
Wasn't it "refugees from Erathia" though?

Warlock at 2006-09-29 19:10 wrote:
My belief is that the map is old and not to be taken as a portent of things to come in the Ubi storyline. We do know that there are (or have been) some town infos talking about refugees from Palaedra and whatnot. The map is most likely another artifact of that.

If the map is old, why does it look *so* much better (graphically) than the one included with HoMMV CE?

It seems to me if the map wasn't final yet, they wouldn't have put so much effort into making such a slick graphically-appealing map. Certainly this couldn't have been an easy thing to draw :)

Gaidal Cain at 2006-09-29 19:07 wrote:
My belief is that the map is old and not to be taken as a portent of things to come in the Ubi storyline. We do know that there are (or have been) some town infos talking about refugees from Palaedra and whatnot. The map is most likely another artifact of that.

theLuckyDragon at 2006-09-29 18:58 wrote:
@TT
I know you know what blight means. The key word in my sentence is common : it doesn't have to be related with other games; it's just a blight and it's called like that.

Warlock at 2006-09-29 18:53 wrote:
The Blight is probably where the Niccoli set up camp when he invaded Irollan.

ThunderTitan at 2006-09-29 18:50 wrote:
And is Stonehelm gone, or just too small to show up on that map?

@tLd:
I know what blight is, that's not what i was asking.

theLuckyDragon at 2006-09-29 18:49 wrote:
Blight?! Is that like the Scourge?

Look too crowded, and kinda stale.

I agree that the geographical distribution of the lands gives that impression, especially around Lost Palaedra. But I also think that that particular map is crowded with all those lines, so the first impression might be wrong. Plus, we don't know the scale.

And 'blight' is a common English word.
Darkstroem at 2006-09-29 18:36 wrote:
I somehow pity the Free Cities, whatever happened to them...

ThunderTitan at 2006-09-29 18:35 wrote:
Blight?! Is that like the Scourge?

Look too crowded, and kinda stale.

Warlock at 2006-09-29 18:30 wrote:
Occasionaly you can get something interesting from Ubi's FTP site, maybe Evilp got it there.
This could be the map for Might and Magic X.

Yeah, I was wondering if maybe this was among the "leaked screenshots" from about a week back, though I never heard anything Might & Magic in that group. I would have thought it would have been pointed out before now if that was the case.

theLuckyDragon at 2006-09-29 18:27 wrote:
@Warlock
I think you're right about the scale. The old maps looks sorta cartoonish too...

I noticed a thing: see how lines emerge from the Doom Sea and go to Nessus in Kreegar, Nariya in Hashima (seems like N. isn't an isle after all), Chaga-Dai in Khotan, Al-Safir in Al-Shazzar (is that the name of the Silver Cities?), Lagesh in Thyssus, Carlevor in the Empire and Tam Avlee in Irollan. These seem to be capital cities of the various kingdoms or something.

Eternor at 2006-09-29 18:24 wrote:
I still wonder where the image originally came from though.

Occasionaly you can get something interesting from Ubi's FTP site, maybe Evilp got it there.
This could be the map for Might and Magic X.

arturchix at 2006-09-29 18:21 wrote:
Wow, avesome stuff, evilp! :)

theLuckyDragon at 2006-09-29 18:19 wrote:
Indeed!

But, easter-eggs or not, this map has some geographical explaining to do.
But (again), this is in any case awesome!

Sir William S Titan at 2006-09-29 18:17 wrote:
Could also be a naturally occuring event, not involving some other, drastic, event. Maybe the world's plates are moving, separating the land into smaller pieces. Stonehelm just gets a very bad deal in this.

Though, it does, somewhat, seem like it would be too fast on a change like this.

Warlock at 2006-09-29 18:17 wrote:
You can *sort* of see The Blight on the old map (it's a lot smaller, but so is Irollan). Thyssus is there, just not labeled. Lost Palaedra is def. new and I'm guessing it falls somewhere in the south of the Griffin Empire (maybe where that delta is?). Nariya and Hashima are both there tho, just not labeled. They are also slightly smaller on that map (but I don't think that map's scale is very accurate)

Really the only *new* landmass (not counting changed stuff like the Doom Sea crater) is the Unknown East which was cut off on the old map. The Shrouded South is also shown a bit more (even more on the tiny globe part). Then otherwise everything is there on the old one, just not labeled or changed a little (like the Doom Sea or Palaedra)
Edited on Fri, Sep 29 2006, 12:19 by Warlock

Kareeah Indaga at 2006-09-29 18:14 wrote:
And Kreegar is just a fraction of a letter short of Kreegan. :Z

I'm still snickering over "Doomstar" though. :D
Edited on Fri, Sep 29 2006, 12:59 by Kareeah Indaga

theLuckyDragon at 2006-09-29 18:12 wrote:
It seems some cataclysm changed the geography of Ashan. But still, there are some lands that came out of nowhere if we compare this map with the other one: the Blight, Thyssus, Lost Palaedra (there was no Palaedra there in the first place... ;| ), Nariya and Hashima Islands... All in all, this is very very strange...

But I must say, I like this map much more than the old one!

Warlock at 2006-09-29 18:12 wrote:
Yeah. If you notice, the crater is where Stonehelm used to be, which is why I wonder if this is indicative of something that happens in DMoM&M (since Stonehelm is a city you visit in that game - therefor it must still exist at some point when that game starts).

I still wonder where the image originally came from though.

Eternor at 2006-09-29 18:09 wrote:
It seems that, in this map Ashan is displayed after some catastrophic event, meteor impact? This map could be showing what to expect in future HOMM/M&M games.

Warlock at 2006-09-29 18:06 wrote:
I don't think the map was changed at all. The only difference is that there's a huge crater in the center now, which seems to indicate something ker-ploded there (with enough force to basically shatter the continent).

DaemianLucifer at 2006-09-29 18:01 wrote:

And it has AvLee and Palaedra... :| :| :| :| :|

Damn cheap easter eggs :disagree:

Interestnig.It seems the fights all happen in america.Well thats a bit original.Also,why change the initial map completely?So that those that bought special edition now have absolutelly nothing special? :|

Warlock at 2006-09-29 17:58 wrote:
Where did this map come from? And why is there a huge hole where Stonehelm used to be?
Edited on Fri, Sep 29 2006, 11:58 by Warlock

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