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- Round Table Hero
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I'm sorry if I did not write it clearly, I'm usually better with that - not Ubi is devoid of quality - I meant workers who are directly crafting the design of the game are not bringing it up to top tier status. Whether that has to do with money, talent, organization, time... who knows - Asha uses all.
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Asha spends all, it seems.
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Yeah, I agree that things could be done better, but it has to do with the budget, I reckon. If you were given a limited budget to do your job, there would be limits too; you could probably do better with more time and money.
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Maybe these factions were welcomed because they fit quite well to the whole Ashan word. If the new faction is hated by fans (I have read some ideas about bug faction which i really hate ), the game has much lower chance to succeed.Galaad wrote:I don't think so. As far as I could witness Sanctuary has been very welcomed by most and even Fortress got an amount of supporters I didn't expect, considering the extremely dull line-up it had in h5.Antalyan wrote:It would be really difficult to add some new faction to the world. They did it in H6 and than had (and I expect they still have) many problems with it, because people will start to ask: why this faction was not mentioned in the previous titles? How about its connections with the others?
Nevertheless, creating a new faction is every time a bit risky as well as money consuming.
You need to invent whole faction, its culture, habits, units. You can´t reuse some old models just because it is a new faction.
So to be honest, I don´t see much reasons why would Ubi do it again, although most of fans would probably welcome it.
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Maybe because they limited the game with its lore. Now, coming up with different things become harder and harder (if we disregard costs, that is), specially because lore-fanatics will ask about the whys and won'ts nothing was mentioned before, etc.
Either way, I'll play Dota 2. \o/
Either way, I'll play Dota 2. \o/
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- Round Table Hero
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I liked the H2 times when no explanation was necessary why hobbits and titans were united in killing dragons. Especially with Ubi era lore, lore is best left to the imagination of the players.
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H2 is yet my favorite overall speaking, whilst I played H4 the most. H2 was so fun when there was no mandatory balance between units and factions. Some had upgrades, others not. Sometimes they were expensive, sometimes cheap (upgrading was a bit unfair considering ogres and giants). Humans relied only on themselves (and I found them one of the most fun to play with, not having angels and 300 HP units...). Most of the upgrades made more sense than after that, animals usually didn't upgrade, while things which logically would evolve with class or some sort of training would do. That was the simplest most effective upgrade system so far, imho. And yes, the less lore involvement helped a lot. ^^
H4 I found it was fun because it was different from usual, and I like the involvement of heroes in battle, something that many people abhor.
H4 I found it was fun because it was different from usual, and I like the involvement of heroes in battle, something that many people abhor.
"There’s nothing to fear but fear itself and maybe some mild to moderate jellification of bones." Cave Johnson, Portal 2.
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Come to think, Ubi has interesting marketing strategy: they loose more customers than they gain new ones. Of course I have no proof, but I'm firmly convinced the series would be much more profitable if they didn't loose god knows how many people's interest in their games ever since they took over.Kalah wrote:I think we all have to face the fact that Heroes games will never have AAA budgets. They just don't have a wide enough consumer base.
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I'm not sure about those numbers either (they would be interesting to see), but I'm fairly sure that if some customers are lost, new ones are coming in. There has to be some kind of profit margin that convinces the brass that the franchise is worth continuing. If there was nothing but red numbers, they'd have shut the whole thing down long ago.
But again ... it's not that the Heroes games in themselves are bad, I just don't think turn-based games will ever reach AAA status. That's reserved for things that play equally well on several platforms.
But again ... it's not that the Heroes games in themselves are bad, I just don't think turn-based games will ever reach AAA status. That's reserved for things that play equally well on several platforms.
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What is undeniable though is it could have only done some good if they kept the old fan base behind them, both for their profit and reputation.
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Possible. But we should also take into consideration that the old fan base is just that: old. The age of the players from the 1990s is climbing and to stay fresh and alive, new games have to appeal to younger players. While I myself personally prefer the H4 "2,5D" adventure map, I must concede that using proper 3D graphics is the way to go if you want to achieve this.
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And did Ubisoft achive this? Somehow I am not sure...
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- Round Table Hero
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You may have seen my thread about Bloodstained Ritual. Most of the new Castlevania games that came out were not at all like the original 2D side scrollers that made the series so famous and endearing to fans. The original developer was told similar things to what you wrote - that it's the 2015 and people don't want 2D and gameplay style in the vein of the original games. They kept the original developer of Castlevania away from the series for years as the company kept releasing sequels that left fans disappointed. Finally, he left the company and started the Kickstarter for Bloodstained. On the first day, it was the most financially successful Kickstarter of all time until Shenmue surpassed it shortly after. I'm glad he was vindicated after the shortsightedness of Konami.Kalah wrote:Possible. But we should also take into consideration that the old fan base is just that: old. The age of the players from the 1990s is climbing and to stay fresh and alive, new games have to appeal to younger players. While I myself personally prefer the H4 "2,5D" adventure map, I must concede that using proper 3D graphics is the way to go.
We may be aging players, but quality transcends generations.
Have seen the models?Kalah wrote:using proper 3D graphics
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I miss games such as Castlevania, designed that way. I'm having a very good time playing Ori and the Blind Forest.
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A fantastic game!Panda Tar wrote:... I'm having a very good time playing Ori and the Blind Forest.
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- Round Table Hero
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Dungeon town screen is not that exciting. And that dragon in the town screen... so much for saving it. Well, it was not the one I voted for.
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Is the PC edition limited to Steam?Panda Tar wrote:I miss games such as Castlevania, designed that way. I'm having a very good time playing Ori and the Blind Forest.
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I think it is. And you better have a X-box controller (which I still haven't, so I'm saving a bit to buy one to keep playing, given my generic controller cannot be adapted properly to play the game, so I'm required to play with a controller having the keyboard below my hands to push Shift and W, because these two commands won't execute in controller ), given some parts are required to use all your abilities in succession, combining movements. It's quite entertaining. ^^ This is one part of the game that I had to play pressing controller and keyboard buttons alternately. It was soooo damn tough, especially because I started this part with low life. Then I decided buying the X-box controller to play it properly (and get the opportunity to use the controller for other games which also has X-box controller as default, which I happen to have in my Library).
And I apologize for the off-topic thing
And, for those who haven't see, one of the old favorites H3 heroes is back, Darkstorm. But now, he does resemble a ... a ... what does he resemble again?
And I apologize for the off-topic thing
And, for those who haven't see, one of the old favorites H3 heroes is back, Darkstorm. But now, he does resemble a ... a ... what does he resemble again?
"There’s nothing to fear but fear itself and maybe some mild to moderate jellification of bones." Cave Johnson, Portal 2.
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