hatsforclowns wrote:Such disrespect towards Jon Van Caneghem
Can you explain why you consider it disrespectful?hatsforclowns wrote:Such disrespect towards Richard Dansky
The disrespect is not mine, it's Dansky's. He was the one who while claiming the name and mantle of 'Might and Magic' pretty much set out to overwrite everything that Caneghem had created.hatsforclowns wrote:So now it's not just people desperately trying to link VARN, CRON, Terra, and Enroth, and Axeoth in the original universe, now they're trying to link the two damn universes themselves!?
Such disrespect towards Jon Van Caneghem who gave birth to such a mgnificent world and series of games, the entire NWC crew who put their sweat, blood, and tears into the development of the games, the players who loved the games and gave them the priviledge of becoming legends.
Such disrespect towards Richard Dansky and his burdensome task of taking over after Caneghem, to mantle the throne of such a series, and fashion his own world and continuity, the new crew that works hard to make Dansky's passion reality, all the players, old and new, who have found a new home in the Ubiverse.
PS. There is such a thing as "homage."
The disrespect is not mine, it's Dansky's. He was the one who while claiming the name and mantle of 'Might and Magic' pretty much set out to overwrite everything that Caneghem had created.hatsforclowns wrote:So now it's not just people desperately trying to link VARN, CRON, Terra, and Enroth, and Axeoth in the original universe, now they're trying to link the two damn universes themselves!?
Such disrespect towards Jon Van Caneghem who gave birth to such a mgnificent world and series of games, the entire NWC crew who put their sweat, blood, and tears into the development of the games, the players who loved the games and gave them the priviledge of becoming legends.
Such disrespect towards Richard Dansky and his burdensome task of taking over after Caneghem, to mantle the throne of such a series, and fashion his own world and continuity, the new crew that works hard to make Dansky's passion reality, all the players, old and new, who have found a new home in the Ubiverse.
PS. There is such a thing as "homage."
3DO went belly up and Ubisoft bought all the rights, and as such, they are entitled to do whatever they please. Unfortunate, but that's reality.Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:The disrespect is not mine, it's Dansky's. He was the one who while claiming the name and mantle of 'Might and Magic' pretty much set out to overwrite everything that Caneghem had created.
To add insult to injury the new team then copy characters from the earlier series while disregarding the continuity that would make this make sense at all.
Their original idea, that 'Ashan' is Axeoth in the far-future is what I think they should have stuck with but I would also be kind of okay with Ashan being a different planet in the same universe.
But calling something the same name, using the same characters (and concepts) and not making any attempt at continuity is pretty low.
Your being entitled to do something is hardely the same as it being the right thing to do.hatsforclowns wrote: 3DO went belly up and Ubisoft bought all the rights, and as such, they are entitled to do whatever they please. Unfortunate, but that's reality.
I didn't like the Reckoning and whole move from general science fantasy to primarily Norse mythology (Enroth -> Axeoth), but even Caneghem decided to move on from the MM6-8 world and create a whole new world. Not too different from what Dansky is doing/has done.
Those worlds are already linked nice and fine with solid continuity.hatsforclowns wrote:people desperately trying to link VARN, CRON, Terra, and Enroth, and Axeoth in the original universe
No, it's not.Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:It's like you've got your everyday standard-issue fantasy world of pixies, elves, goblins and dwarves- then you find out some way along the way that it's all somehow to do with high-tech space aliens.
Nothing like that ever happened to the Kreegan. They were high-tech malevolent aliens and have remained so. They are not demons.Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:And then your aliens end up turning into just another kind of standard issue fantasy creature as happened to the Kreegans. And they is somehow still high-tech space aliens.
So you're saying New Sorpigal in MM6 is a colony of Sorpigal from MM1? Alamar, Alamos, Crag, Sandros, all the places and people with identical or similar names or appearances are in fact the very exact locations and persons, they just magically move around the universe, migrating, emigrating, immigrating, and conveniently happen to pass by a MIB neuraliser and promptly forget about their past lives?XEL II wrote:Those worlds are already linked nice and fine with solid continuity.hatsforclowns wrote:people desperately trying to link VARN, CRON, Terra, and Enroth, and Axeoth in the original universe
They are not demons but yet they are called demons? Hmmmmmmm.XEL II wrote: Nothing like that ever happened to the Kreegan. They were high-tech malevolent aliens and have remained so. They are not demons.
Yes and that's kind of problematic, why would people on a different planet use the same names for cities or people which is neccesary for there to be namesakes? Obviously because they are the same culture, the Ancients took people from a single culture and distributed them across the universe (including on Ashan).XEL II wrote: I see noithing wrong with places and characters with similiar names. Our one planet Earth has enormous numbers of people, geographical locations and cities with same names. And in MM we're talking about planets located far away from each other.
Calling them demons doesn't make them deons, is that so hard for you to understand and accept?Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:They are not demons but yet they are called demons? Hmmmmmmm.
The consistancy is tidy enough even factoring HoMM in. It's a legit part of MM series.Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:You must live in a universe in which Heroes of Might and Magic never happened. A happy universe of tidy consistancy. .
In HoMM, we just get to see the Kreegan represented in only one unit. And the storyline in HoMM doesn't change the fact that they are from another world nor it denies any sci-fi features Kreegans have. It just shows small part of them. In MM VI, in our early encounters with the Kreegan, it is also hard to tell that they are highly advanced race.Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:They are not depicted as being anything but your standard issue fantasy demons except in Might and Magic games.
Setting the world on fire is not their biological purpose and was never stated to be so. Kreegans aren't all that pyromaniacal, they just like fire for the reason that they are immune to highest teperatures. Armageddon's Blade was Kreegans' last desperate attempt to strenghten their forces on Enroth, after the invasion forces were defeated by Falagar's students (wo destroyed the Hive) and Lords of Harmondale (who destroyed Zenofex and Colony Zod).Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:They even start acting like fantasy demons in Heroes of Might and Magic. Given that their stated biological purpose setting the world on fire with Armageddon's Blade (why not just nuke the planet from orbit?) make no sense at all.
That's just your reasoning, and I don't get why you're telling yourself that. There is a good number of strategy games combining fantasy and sci-fi. And NWC were doing this nicely for AB, before several inbred retards send death threats.Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:The reasons are fairly obvious. You cannot really combine fantasy (low-tech) and sci-fi (high-tech) in a strategy game because a strategy game requires balance and there is no way to create a balance between sci-fi and fantasy without making the former look shoddy or the latter redundant.
Nothing "problematic" here. There is no need to make some convoluted connections between Sorpigal of VARN 4 and New Sorpigal of Enroth. Cultures and races created and seeded by the Ancients are all very different, but they still have the same origin (in the Ancients), there could easily be some similar or same names.Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:Yes and that's kind of problematic, why would people on a different planet use the same names for cities or people which is neccesary for there to be namesakes? Obviously because they are the same culture, the Ancients took people from a single culture and distributed them across the universe (including on Ashan).
Whether the new Sorpigal is new to VARN 4's Sorpigal or to another Sorpigal on Enroth is ultimately decided by the question of whether the people of Culture X having been transported by the Ancients actually remember their origins or whether their memory is wiped.
If the former is the case the most likely explanation is that the old Sorpigal is on VARN 4. If the latter is the case then this is not so.
That everyone in the universe sees fit to refer to them as demons or devils kind of suggests that it is incorrect to claim that's not what they are.XEL II wrote: Calling them demons doesn't make them deons, is that so hard for you to understand and accept?
You can always live in denial I suppose. It is obvious to me that there are massive differences in the way the Kreegans are depicted and their stated goals (if they have any) in both series.XEL II wrote: The consistancy is tidy enough even factoring HoMM in. It's a legit part of MM series.
Yes Might and VI and VII.XEL II wrote: Setting the world on fire is not their biological purpose and was never stated to be so. Kreegans aren't all that pyromaniacal, they just like fire for the reason that they are immune to highest teperatures. Armageddon's Blade was Kreegans' last desperate attempt to strenghten their forces on Enroth, after the invasion forces were defeated by Falagar's students (wo destroyed the Hive) and Lords of Harmondale (who destroyed Zenofex and Colony Zod).
There are perhaps a number of strategy games that combine fantasy and sci-fi (other than Might and Magic I know of none) but this is obviously with the dire consequences I mentioned. The sci-fi either looks shoddy or the fantasy becomes redundant.XEL II wrote: That's just your reasoning, and I don't get why you're telling yourself that. There is a good number of strategy games combining fantasy and sci-fi. And NWC were doing this nicely for AB, before several inbred retards send death threats.
If two cultures use the same names that means that they are closely related. Very closely related.XEL II wrote: Nothing "problematic" here. There is no need to make some convoluted connections between Sorpigal of VARN 4 and New Sorpigal of Enroth. Cultures and races created and seeded by the Ancients are all very different, but they still have the same origin (in the Ancients), there could easily be some similar or same names.
BTW, Ancients didn't take cultures and distribute them, the races of MM worlds (except Kreegan and Elementals) were created by the Ancients (including angels, demons (who even guard places like Square Lake), genies, efreets, goblins, humans, elves, etc.).
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