1-Ban artefacts; Shackles of War, Angel Wings, Boots of Levitation (also ban "Water Walk"), Spellbinder's Hat as well as the four Tomes of Magic.
OK.
2-Ban all extension heroes, including Sir Mullich (maybe irrelevant, since we play RoE).
That simple thing gives me some headaches. I do play RoE, but I do not use WoG.
3-Nucleon choses Red, and a Diplomacy hero from either Rampart, Tower or Castle (Banedon didn't have anything against using them considering that the point was brought up with him in this thread). However, if Banadon choses Rampart, Nucleon shall not take chose that town.
To this, I will note that Diplomacy unbalances multiplayer Heroes 3. Diplomacy is an unfair skill, so if you are going to use one, I will have to ask for some restrictions.
Having scoured the map, I agree Red has a distinct advantage in that map. He has easy access to the Rampart town below while Blue will have trouble taking over the Fortress town to the east (it is surrounded by Swamp, after all. Blue can take the town, but to fully utilize Fortress's resources will take time). I too want to play Red - wonder if Nucleon is willing.
This will be, essentially, a game between the two most often banned types of heroes.
I was under the impression that this game will be between Logistics, a generally banned specialization, and a regular hero. If it is to be between Logistics and Diplomacy, I have no idea why we are duelling - the entire point of the game is to determine if Logistics is overpowered, not Diplomacy (which everyone agrees to be).
This was not send to Banedon yet, but Nucleon offers to replace the D-Door spell given at a Seer's Hut by "Magic Mirror", "Sacrifice" or "Implosion". As this Seer's Hut is closest to Red, Nucleon shall let Banedon decide, thought.
I don't really care, but I suggest removing the spell reward completely.
EDIT; "Expert" seems to Nucleon like a correct difficulty setting, also.
OK, Expert it is.
Are Logistic heroes also "usually" banned? If that's the case, Nucleon don't see why he shouldn't take a Diplomat. His point (to the effect that He wouldn't ban Logistic specialists, as some heroes seem better as starting ones) still holds water.
Logistics heroes are generally banned. So too are Diplomats. I cannot see what you hope to prove here: that Diplomacy is even more overpowered than Logistics? This battle was supposed to prove (or disprove) the theory that Logistics is overpowered - not Diplomacy.
More than any other thing, Nucleon will test Banedon's theory that advances that Nucleon is a noob. These were fighting words, as Nucleon will not accept being thus slurred. It shall be washed in the virtual blood of our respective troops. mad
As I will test it. Through what you have posted in this topic, I have every reason to believe you are inexperienced in multiplayer Heroes 3. I do admire you wishing to test it in battle though.
From the earliest posts we've done on this thread, Banedon claimed that Logisticians should be banned, because they assure almost-certain victory. They are not on Nucleon's ban list, however, and as better starting heroes he presented Diplomats, ressource-bringers and 1st lvl creature specialists. Go check and see, it is there somewhere.
I therefore ask Nucleon not to pick a Diplomat, but a resource-bringing hero or a level 1 creature specialist. If Nucleon agrees, then this battle will have some meaning.
Never did Banedon agreed that Diplomats should be banned, even venturing to say that so many "diplomized" creatures would bring a lower morale to one's army. If he ever said that Diplomats were also a problem, Nucleon would have agree, but that was not the case.
I have never said Diplomacy should be banned because I was never called into it. I say it now. Diplomacy should be banned. It makes Heroes 3 too imbalanced and turbulent.
Now that we have an understanding on Diplomacy, does Nucleon still wish to duel - Logistics vs. regular heroes?
That was also Nucleon's opinion, and He had a real interesting, civil discussion with Banedon up until he claimed Nucleon was a noob, just after csarmi specified what he intended by this very insult he brought. And it wasn't nice.
I thought I have been very civil with that, but evidently it still offended you. I'm sorry.
Necro and conflux should be out too, since those towns are unbeatable.
Necropolis out? Why? But that is way off topic, so I shall start a new one on it.
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In the end the question behind this battle is this: Are Logistics specialists overpowered? We have already established Dimension Door, Fly, Water Walk and Town Portal to be overpowered. We have also established that Conflux shoudl be banned (4x growth of Phoenixes is definitely imbalanced). We agree that Diplomacy is overpowered, and so should not be practised.
In other words,
everything that is normally banned should be banned - except Logistics specialists.
Is Nucleon still willing to duel?
PS: Nucleon called to mind one thing - our time zone difference. Nucleon and I live on opposite sides of the world, so to time this game will be difficult. Therefore, I ask if anyone else will be willing to take over me for this game - csarmi again springs to mind, since he does not need to sleep at night, but with him engaged in other matters I wonder if anyone else can do it. If not possible though, I suppose we can work out a compromise.