Heroes of Might and Magic II Mod

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Heroes of Might and Magic II Mod

Postby danijel1990 » Feb 12 2007, 8:57

In here HoMM II fans, you could share your ideas, visions and dreams of HoMM II. Together we can remake Heroes II to be great game again!!! :-D

PS. HoMM II rules!!!

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Postby danijel1990 » Feb 12 2007, 9:45

We should really balance the game.
We need to make Knights and Barbarians a little bit stronger in my opinion.

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Postby Lunar » Feb 16 2007, 11:00

Knights are too powerfull with good defense magic ;)

Barbarians too. Cyclopes with blood lust... O_o

But Black Dragons rox ever.

In my opinion, the worst city is elven city. Their structures cost too much resouces.

I think Homm2 is dead :( - how many people play it?

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Postby Dalai » Feb 16 2007, 13:31

I played it several hours during last few days. It rocks!
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Postby Metathron » Feb 16 2007, 13:41

I play it fairly often, and now that I've discovered Hamachi, I play it even more regularly with my friend online. I tried to talk her into trying out other HoMM games, but she's too set in her ways...
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Postby klaymen » Feb 16 2007, 17:52

Lunar wrote:
I think Homm2 is dead :( - how many people play it?


I play and I know about several people still playing H2
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Postby MistWeaver » Feb 16 2007, 17:54

H2 is simply great game.

As for balance.. I think elves & knight should be made stronger. Necros a little bit too, I think but not as much.

The question is how to do it. As far as I know, h2 data file (agg) contains only bitmaps, animation (icn) and sounds (82m).
So I think all stats are hardcoded to heroes2.exe which is gay :(

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Postby ByteBandit » Feb 17 2007, 4:33

I still play HoMM2 every now and then. IMHO I believe HoMM2 will never die. It's just too good of a game. And it really does contain the best "overall" music of the HoMM series.

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Postby MistWeaver » Feb 17 2007, 6:58

Ideas for mod:

1) Balance.
2) Give ability to trade resources between players
3) Make necromancy more like in H4 Eq.

of course would be nice to do
4) "WAIT"
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5) ability to select units for battle, but that would be unfair towards AI

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Postby ByteBandit » Feb 18 2007, 1:57

I'll add an idea or two:

Maybe give it an underground.
Add more artifacts and possibly give it some RPG elements. That way, you could expand on things a little more.
If you add more artifacts, there should be a balance of both good and bad items.
Ideas for good Artifacts: Summon a creature, perhaps
Ideas for bad Artifacts: An item that drains your life or suspends it, instead of gaining life each day.

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Postby Akul » Feb 18 2007, 11:36

If you menage to make a mod for this great game, you can be sure that I would get it :)

On-topic: Give map editor as much new options as posible.
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Postby MistWeaver » Feb 18 2007, 12:51

Because of not so good heroes2 data storing design (as I said ALL items info, creatures info and similar stuff hardcoded to EXE file) it is pretty hard to modify something (not to mention adding new).

I think main thing that H2 requires is balance.
H2 has pretty good AI.
H2 MP is good also, its fast(unlike h4) and bugless(unlike h5).
But it would be great to make all towns equal. Because who wants to play as Knight now ? :)
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Postby klaymen » Feb 18 2007, 13:35

MistWeaver wrote: Because who wants to play as Knight now ? :)


me :D

their heroes have great chance to increase defense skill when gaining a level, so it doesn't matter that their units have less hp that units from another castles and their numbers are good to survive some magic attacks and champions grant them first turn (because of "ultra fast" speed, except fighting against other champions or phoenixes)
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Postby Metathron » Feb 18 2007, 13:50

The question of the knight's (and barbarian's, to an extent) alleged inferiority has always boggled my mind. In a way, I see the knight's weakness in low hit points and an army consisting of almost exclusively walkers, but on the other hand most of their buildings require only wood (and some ore) to construct and these are usually readily available nearby, without even having to fight for them in most cases, which gives the knight (and, again, the barbarian) an early jump on things.

My friend, with whom I play online, thinks the knight is just awful, so I made a case of beating her wizard army with my poor knight in the map "Hotspot", just to prove that they are not quite as bad as she thought.

As for improvements, the most obvious one that comes to mind would be to imbue the paladin/crusader with some sort of magic resistance, partial if not full, because they fall prey to direct damage spells way too easily.
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Postby MistWeaver » Feb 18 2007, 13:55

klaymen wrote:
MistWeaver wrote: Because who wants to play as Knight now ? :)


me :D

their heroes have great chance to increase defense skill when gaining a level, so it doesn't matter that their units have less hp that units from another castles and their numbers are good to survive some magic attacks and champions grant them first turn (because of "ultra fast" speed, except fighting against other champions or phoenixes)


Ok, how about 1 on 1 MP map, where I would play with Warlock ? :) :D

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Postby Metathron » Feb 18 2007, 14:01

MistWeaver wrote:Ok, how about 1 on 1 MP map, where I would play with Warlock ? :) :D


Well, that would depend on the map and its richness in resources. If it was a small or medium map, I daresay the knight would have the edge, as the warlock might struggle to construct a maze and swamp, and that level 2 mage guild for that lightning bolt/cold ray.
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Postby danijel1990 » Feb 19 2007, 7:25

If that is true (that all stats are in exe file), I will try to find a good programmer to break the code, so we can edit stats etc. :baby:

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Postby danijel1990 » Feb 26 2007, 9:00

I still haven't found a programmer ;| ,but as soon as I find him, I will post it here so that you know, and we will start the project (first with the ideas). ;)

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Postby UndeadHalfOrc » Mar 15 2007, 17:26

I'm BITING my hand right now. I used to have a detailed hex editing data file for the heroes2.exe (dating from 2001) but I left it in my hotmail folder. Which eventually got erased due to inactivity. :(

I never got to seriously get around to it, but the very first things I remember balancing was:
Lower Titan gold cost by 500, and growth by 1 per week (max 2)
Lower Dragon growth by 1 per week (max 2)
Raise Paladin/Crusader HP by 10
Increase peasant growth by 8 and lower their cost by 5 gold.

It's not perfect or complete by any means, but it helps balance it out a lot.

What an IDIOT I am of not having saved it on my own computer... stupid hotmail! :(

We really don't need a programmer. All we need is to get the ----- HEX SPECS ----- of the creature data - which I used to have.
Any hex editor will work.

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Postby Ya5MieL » Mar 15 2007, 17:51

I think i did similar thing with hex editor, but it was long time ago and i dont remember the specific changes.
Im not even sure was it heroes 1 or 2 :P


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