Heroes III: Monster vs Monster

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Heroes III: Monster vs Monster

Postby DungeonMaster » May 29 2006, 21:54

Hey guys I was just wondering if anyone knew the monster v monster list for H III. You know the list of monsters and which monsters they own easily. Well if anyone could reply with that, that would be great. Thanks

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Postby DungeonMaster » Jun 3 2006, 14:34

Can anybody help me? :S

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Postby Paulus1 » Jun 3 2006, 22:19

Your question is not that simple really.

There has been lots of discussions about "best lvl X creature" around both this forum and others. People doesn't really agree on which ones are the best, so it's difficult to answer your question, especially being that broad.

With 9 towns each having 7 levels (all can be upgraded), that makes a lot of creatures to acount for. If you could narrow your question, maybe more people would answer.

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Postby DungeonMaster » Jun 7 2006, 1:24

I wasnt really going for best creature i was going more for which creatures defeat which creatures (like monk vs griffin) or w.e just all the creatures and which other monsters they can kill with ease

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Postby Ya5MieL » Jun 7 2006, 16:07

In most cases, more expensive creature owns less expensive ones (there are quite a number of exceptions but its as good of an answer as any :P

So heres a list of H3 monster prices for you :)

Heroes 3 Cost Table (name, gold cost, additional resource cost)

Creatures usualy own those that are ranked below them (but as i said, there are exceptions :)

1 Azure Dragon 30000 20
2 Crystal Dragon 20000 10
3 Rust Dragon 15000 14
4 Faerie Dragon 10000 8
5 Archangel 5000 3
6 Titan 5000 2
7 Arch Devil 4500 2
8 Black Dragon 4000 2
9 Gold Dragon 4000 2
10 Chaos Hydra 3500 1
11 Angel 3000 1
12 Ancient Behemoth 3000 1
13 Ghost Dragon 3000 1
14 Devil 2700 1
15 Red Dragon 2500 1
16 Green Dragon 2400 1
17 Hydra 2200
18 Phoenix 2000 1
19 Giant 2000 1
20 Bone Dragon 1800
21 Naga Queen 1600
22 Firebird 1500
23 Dread Knight 1500
24 Behemoth 1500
25 Champion 1200
26 Black Knight 1200
27 Wyvern Monarch 1100
28 Efreet Sultan 1100
29 Cyclops King 1100
30 Naga 1100
31 Scorpicore 1050
32 Cavalier 1000
33 War Unicorn 950
34 Efreeti 900
35 Manticore 850
36 Unicorn 850
37 Magic Elemental 800
38 Wyvern 800
39 Psychic Elemental 750
40 Cyclops 750
41 Diamond Golem 750
42 Enchanter 750
43 Pit Lord 700
44 Thunderbird 700
45 Mighty Gorgon 600
46 Power Lich 600
47 Roc 600
48 Master Genie 600
49 Minotaur King 575
50 Lich 550
51 Genie 550
52 Gorgon 525
53 Magma Elemental 500
54 Minotaur 500
55 Pit Fiend 500
56 Vampire Lord 500
57 Gold Golem 500
58 Troll 500
59 Zealot 450
60 Archmage 450
61 Dendroid Soldier 425
62 Monk 400
63 Crusader 400
64 Earth Elemental 400
65 Energy Elemental 400
66 Greater Basilisk 400
67 Ogre Magi 400
68 Sharpshooter 400
69 Ice Elemental 375
70 Vampire 360
71 Fire Elemental 350
72 Dendroid Guard 350
73 Mage 350
74 Medusa Queen 330
75 Basilisk 325
76 Swordsman 300
77 Water Elemental 300
78 Medusa 300
79 Ogre 300
80 Mummy 300
81 Evil Eye 280
82 Storm Elemental 275
83 Silver Pegasus 275
84 Horned Demon 270
85 Air Elemental 250
86 Beholder 250
87 Demon 250
88 Cerberus 250
89 Pegasus 250
90 Royal Griffin 240
91 Dragon Fly 240
92 Wraith 230
93 Grand Elf 225
94 Serpent Fly 220
95 Griffin 200
96 Hell Hound 200
97 Wight 200
98 Wood Elf 200
99 Iron Golem 200
100 Nomad 200
101 Magog 175
102 Harpy Hag 170
103 Orc Chieftain 165
104 Obsidian Gargoyle 160
105 Marksman 150
106 Battle Dwarf 150
107 Orc 150
108 Stone Golem 150
109 Boar 150
110 Lizard Warrior 140
111 Wolf Raider 140
112 Harpy 130
113 Stone Gargoyle 130
114 Gog 125
115 Zombie 125
116 Dwarf 120
117 Lizardman 110
118 Archer 100
119 Walking Dead 100
120 Wolf Rider 100
121 Rogue 100
122 Centaur Captain 90
123 Halberdier 75
124 Gnoll Marauder 70
125 Skeleton Warrior 70
126 Centaur 70
127 Infernal Troglodyte 65
128 Pikeman 60
129 Familiar 60
130 Skeleton 60
131 Troglodyte 50
132 Gnoll 50
133 Imp 50
134 Hobgoblin 50
135 Goblin 40
136 Master Gremlin 40
137 Halfling 40
138 Sprite 30
139 Gremlin 30
140 Pixie 25
141 Peasant 10

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Postby Beholder » Jun 8 2006, 13:41

Also take under sonsideration that the ammount of creatures also has a big difference. Fe I managed to defeat 1000 Azure dragons once but I was inable to defeat 500 faerie dragons with the same army (their spells become very powerfull).
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Postby Metal Wolf » Jun 28 2006, 14:59

Once I made a test, fighting archangels (who are considered to be the best unit in the game, excluding all of the "special" dragons) with an equal number of ancient behemoths (without any bonuses), and the behemoths won, what makes them imo the strongest unit in the game one on one...
Though the archangel (alongside with the archdevil and some of the dragons) are obviously more useful in battle.

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Postby DaemianLucifer » Jun 28 2006, 15:11

In one stack,archangels arent the most powerful creature,thats truen,but when in two or more stacks,theyre unbeatable.

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Postby Le_Faucheur » Jun 28 2006, 18:39

I would say:
1st level:
1)pikeman 2)centaur 3)troglodyte 4)skeleton 5)gnoll 6)gremlin 7)goblin 8)imp

2nd level:
1)gog 2)dwarf 3)harpy 4)gargoyle 5)crossbowman 6)wolf rider 7)lizardman 8)zombi

3rd level:
1)beholder 2)cerberus 3)golem 4)griffin 5)dragonfly/wraith 7)elf 8)orc

4th level:
1)vampire lord 2)crusader 3)basilic 4)magi 5)ogre 6)pegasus 7)medusa 8)demon

5th level:
1)roc 2)gorgon 3)minotaur 4)lich/pit lord 6)dendroid 7)zealot 8)djinn

6th level:
1)naga 2)dread knight 3)efreet 4)champion 5)unicorn 6)manticor 7)wyvern 8)cyclop

7th level:
1)archangel 2)archdevil 3)black dragon 4)gold dragon 5)titan 6)behemoth 7)hydra 8)ghost dragon

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Postby DaemianLucifer » Jun 28 2006, 20:21

Golems over elves,pit fiends over zealots?! 8| 8|

Heres mine:
1st level:
centaur>pikeman>skeleton>gremlin>troglodyte>gnoll>goblin>imp

2nd level:
crossbowman>gog>harpy>gargoyle>wolf rider>dwarf>lizardman>zombi

3rd level:
elf>beholder>griffin>cerberus>dragonfly>golem>wraith>orc

4th level:
vampire lord>medusa>magi>pegasus=crusader>basilic>ogre>demon

5th level:
zealot=roc>lich>gorgon>minotaur>genie>dendroid>pit lord

6th level:
nag>dread knight>wyvern>champion=unicorn>efreet>cyclop=manticor

7th level:
archangel>archdevil=black dragon>gold dragon=titan>behemoth>hydra>ghost dragon

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Postby Banedon » Jun 29 2006, 10:46

This is a list I memorized long ago - it does not reflect my own values.

Level 1:

Centaur Captains
Halberdiers
Skeleton Warriors
Gnoll Marauders
Infernal Troglodytes
Hobgoblins
Master Gremlins
Imps

Level 2 (rather hazy though my memory):

Marksmen
Wolf Raiders
Harpy Hags
Obsidian Gargoyles
Battle Dwarves
Magogs
Lizardmen
Zombie

Level 3:

Grand Elves
Royal Griffins
Evil Eyes
Cerberus
Dragonflies
Iron Golems
Orc Chieftains
Wraiths

Level 4:

Crusader
Vampire Lords
Archmagi
Greater Basiliks
Medusa Queens
Silver Pegasi
Ogre Magi
Horned Demons

Level 5:

Minotaur Kings
Power Lich
Thunderbirds
Mighty Gorgons
Master Genies
Zealots
Pit Lords
Dendroid Soldiers

Level 6.

Dread Knights
Champions
Naga Queens
War Unicorns
Efreet Sultans
Cyclops Kings
Manticores
Wyvern Mornarches

Level 7

Archangel
Gold Dragon
Titan
Black Dragon
Archdevil
Ghost Dragon
Ancient Behemoth
Chaos Hydra

Mostly, this should be correct, but it might be wrong in some places. I don't fully agree with it sometimes (Mighty Gorgons clearly are better units than Minotaur Kings, though not necessarily Thunderbirds), but it's a fine list.

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Postby csarmi » Jul 10 2006, 11:40

Level 7: 10 vs 10, heroes have 0 attack 0 defense and both sides play to their best

Arch Angels kill everything (behemoths sometimes close fight)
Arch Devils kill everything but Archangel (close fight with Blackies)

Blackies, Behemoths, Titans and and Gold Dragons pretty close to each other

Chaos Hydras
Ghost dragons

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Postby Le_Faucheur » Jul 10 2006, 16:47

agree.disadvantage for the behemoth as he is slow and can be blind contrary to blacks/titans/gold dragon.


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