Completely overpowered hero! (Homm 3 bug)

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Completely overpowered hero! (Homm 3 bug)

Unread postby Nocturne » 01 Jul 2021, 06:46

Okay, this has happened a few times and lately last night on the map "Free for All" an 8-player scenario where I play as Dungeon vs 7 enemies. Suddenly, completely out of the blue, an extremely powerful AI hero shopws up on the Thieves' guild page; this time Isra with stats of 24/22/23/22... It's month 2, week 1 and extremely unlikely that anyone has gotten THAT powerful.

On random maps, occasionally an AI hero will get really strong but you can usually follow that process via the Thieves' guild. For example, in one scenario, Pyre started by finding som good artifacts so day 7 her stats maybe looked like 7/6/2/3. Then she leveled some and found some more artifacts, so, next week maybe she was 9/7/8/6. And eventually she took a Dragon Utopia and found something like the Helm of Heavenly Blessing so she's +6 all stats making her 17/13/16/12. And then some more artifacts, eventually she had stats of 20+ in everything.

But this happened overnight; Suddenly Isra is purple's most powerful hero (up until that point, it has been Tamika with 6/7/4/1) with stats of 20+! It makes no sense and it's extremely unlikely that purple suddenly found all the artifacts of the Agelic Alliance, assembled it, and then put it on a secondary hero...especially since the Lion's Shield of Courage is literally under my nose, I'm about to attack some ancient behemoths for it!

This has happened before, most notably on one of my own maps; I had just taken the 2nd city, it was end of week 1 and I notice in the Thieves' guild that my enemies have Josephine with stats of 7/7/5/5 which is not possible because there are barely any stat boosters on the map, and there are no artifacts that powerful only +2...I restarted that map and never had that problem again.

So what can I do? Can I hack the save somehow and fix this? I've invested a whole day IRL on this scenario, I don't want to lose due to a bug.

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Re: Completely overpowered hero! (Homm 3 bug)

Unread postby Pol » 01 Jul 2021, 07:08

Can you check this hero? Load him in HotSeat..

What version of Heroes 3 you are playing? Any mods?

If hero rescued any survivor at sea, he might have artifact.


Edit1:
Ther are no survivors. But they are not teamed vs you. Yeah, this is pretty hard map :D

You can also use cheats to check for more.

The map is just basic, not modified?
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Re: Completely overpowered hero! (Homm 3 bug)

Unread postby Nocturne » 01 Jul 2021, 07:26

I don't know what HotSeat is; but I'll find out.

Shadows of Death, no mods.

I don't think that's possible in Shadows of Death; You can only find extra heroes from prisons and a hero with 20+ stats is quite unlikely.

I can open the map and find Isra, but that would reveal all my enemies to me and I would pretty much have won already...knowledge is power. xD I will check what this is with HotSeat.

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Re: Completely overpowered hero! (Homm 3 bug)

Unread postby Pol » 01 Jul 2021, 08:28

Well, the only explanation is that they got artifacts, because with them it's easy possible.

HotSeat is multiplayer, where you are all playing from one computer :D Opening this might work, otherwise use cheats to check. Ofc keep, you original save.

The third option is to use some Cheater, to save your score.

The AI see you anyway..
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Re: Completely overpowered hero! (Homm 3 bug)

Unread postby Nocturne » 01 Jul 2021, 11:07

She has the Angelic Alliance! I checked via HotSeat and going back several weeks of saves (I save ALOT!), I found that the Angelic Alliance had spawned from an "Art4" guarded by only several Pheonixes... So Purple got the full Angelic Alliance this way.

I had no idea that combination artifacts could spawn as random artifacts; especially not on a RoE-map! Those artifacts are not even placable in the editor. :D This explains alot. I suppose this is caused by playing RoE- and AB-maps with SoD. I think that's what happened in the case of my own map; Josephine must've found some extremely powerful combination-artifact that I didn't think could spawn!

The question is what to do now; guess I'm in for a really hard fight... :( Anyway, thank you for the HotSeat tip that was ceraintly quite useful! :tsup:

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Re: Completely overpowered hero! (Homm 3 bug)

Unread postby cjleeagain » 02 Jul 2021, 15:53

Can I suggest something?

This, my friend got from Timothy Duncan's infamous map THUNK. Basically I could never finish that map. My friend did it, and it was very painful for him.

You got to treat Isra as THUNK. A ridiculously overpowered enemy that you must avoid having a direct confrontation against. Remember, Angelic Alliance is not just a combo that adds stats. It casts Prayer at the start of every fight.

Prayer on Zombies is not something you want to see. In fact, I really detest the fact that prayer works on undead. If bless doesn't work, why should prayer?

But you're playing HEROES. So if you treat the game as a leveling up experience, you'll beat AI over time by attrition and being smarter.

That said, I really don't want to face a necromancy specialist like Isra in a war of attrition.

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