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Postby ThunderTitan » Aug 22 2009, 11:04

Except the Phoenix and maybe the Champion i don't see how you can really like any of them...

Also, why the heck did they make the humans a homogeneous faction again...
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Postby Corlagon » Aug 22 2009, 12:40

I thinkit was Gnoll, not any Lion or Werewolf.


I believe the original artist does have it down as a Werewolf somewhere. I'll let you know if I manage to confirm it.

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Postby TheUndeadKing » Aug 22 2009, 14:27

ThunderTitan wrote:Except the Phoenix and maybe the Champion i don't see how you can really like any of them...

After H5, everything from NWC looks better to my eyes. I admit, they are far from perfect, but at least they show some originality.
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Postby ThunderTitan » Aug 22 2009, 14:32

Ok, that's true...
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Postby klaymen » Aug 22 2009, 17:39

TheUndeadKing wrote:
ThunderTitan wrote:Except the Phoenix and maybe the Champion i don't see how you can really like any of them...

After H5, everything from NWC looks better to my eyes. I admit, they are far from perfect, but at least they show some originality.


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Postby darknessfood » Aug 22 2009, 17:50

NWC just had a certain style, Ubi does not have that!
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Postby Corlagon » Aug 22 2009, 19:44

I located some higher-res images of the creatures, beta names inclusive. Remember that they are concept ranks, and as such the names weren't finalised.

They're posted in the order the artist listed them, so I assume that also corresponds to their tiers:


"Haven Town"

Squire
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Archer
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Pikeman
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Cleric
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Paladin
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Champion
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"Lizard Town"

Lizard Warrior
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Viper
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Lizard Mage
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Wyvern
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Hydra
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Dragon
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"Fairy Town"

Sprite
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Lionman
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Catelf (don't ask me!)
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Firewolf (as above)
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Unicorn
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Phoenix
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Sphinx
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Dammit, now I want to create the NWC Heroes V campaign in Heroes VI once it's finished. In fact...

Sorry for stealing your thread, GreatEmerald.
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Postby lotusreaver » Aug 22 2009, 19:53

Were there ever any talks from the original development team about the storyline, or how it would connect with HOMM IV? Looking at creatures like the catelf, and the absence of angels with the Haven faction, I'm really curious where they were taking the story.

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Postby GreatEmerald » Aug 22 2009, 21:46

Corlagon wrote:Sorry for stealing your thread, GreatEmerald.

No problem, no work is being done on the website at the moment anyway ;)

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Postby Corlagon » Aug 22 2009, 23:42

lotusreaver wrote:Were there ever any talks from the original development team about the storyline, or how it would connect with HOMM IV?


Only one ancient hint from a 3DO investor. 3DO were pushing for the reboot trick, exactly as Ubi later would:

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=3850

I remember Christian Vanover (NWC, not 3DO) later contradicted that by saying it would be set in Axeoth, though. Don't know what to make of the strange lineups. I think they look great anyway.

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Postby Shyranis » Aug 23 2009, 0:11

I'd probably have loved 3DO's H5 if it played more like H3. But it if was more like H4 I wouldn't so much. I only really enjoy it for the multiplayer =D
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Postby Zamolxis » Aug 23 2009, 1:14

I'm pretty sure NWC learned a lot of what when wrong with H4, and because they knew both H3 & H4 very well, their H5 would have been most probably more like H3, plus some of the good things from H4.

The reason why Ubival failed (at least) half of the HoMM community, was the fact that instead of H3 & H4, Nival had a good knowledge of Warhammer & Etherlords when they started working on H5. They probably had it in their contract somewhere to play some Heroes (3 only most probably) before starting to work on the project - and I'm sure some of them did for a couple of weeks - but that's really not enough to know/feel the game(s) like we do and to be able to understand what the community wanted.
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Postby Yurian Stonebow » Aug 23 2009, 8:35

Well, JVC once stated in an interview that Heroes V was to be more along the lines of Heroes III, and certainly not in full 3D (and "borrowing" stuff from Warhammer). He and the folks at NWC had learned from their mistakes in the making of Heroes IV, and decided to walk again on the "good 'ol path" of the series in pre-Heroes IV style. Removing heroes from the battlefield was merely one of the things indicating return to the old ways. (I won't go into details in this post as I'm pretty sure that you all have probably read about JVC and Heroes V related news as well)

Nival's "failure" can be attributed to many things but I would personally raise poor interaction with the fan community on the top of my list. They systematically ignored people right from the start. (wishlist, anyone?) And what about Ubisoft-Nival interaction? Great co-operation or great confusion? Poor translations and delayed or cancelled patches combined with broken promises ("we shall deliver new patches on monthly basis") all added up to the general disappointment.

And I hear that the Dark Messiah map wasn't really that great. Etc and etc and etc. Back to old school, I say!



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Postby Secret_Holder » Aug 23 2009, 11:06

I Agree.
This is why I'm waiting for MMT, as it is the only link to the old days, when the Might and Magic and it's little brother were any good.
But what are the details on HoMM VI?

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Postby Corlagon » Aug 23 2009, 11:43

You can now actually view the Heroes V creatures on the previous page :)

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Postby berntie » Aug 26 2009, 17:14

Corlagon wrote:
lotusreaver wrote:Were there ever any talks from the original development team about the storyline, or how it would connect with HOMM IV?


Only one ancient hint from a 3DO investor. 3DO were pushing for the reboot trick, exactly as Ubi later would:

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=3850

I remember Christian Vanover (NWC, not 3DO) later contradicted that by saying it would be set in Axeoth, though. Don't know what to make of the strange lineups. I think they look great anyway.

I don't think there's a contradication at all. After reading 3DOinvestor's post I'm pretty sure he was referring to the replacement of Antagarich with Axeoth.

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Postby Corlagon » Aug 26 2009, 17:28

Well spotted, that's a thought I hadn't considered but indeed the investor started posting there about two weeks before the release of Heroes IV. It does make sense since I heard the decision to blow up Enroth came out of 3DO's office during the development of Armageddon's Blade.

Hence I guess HV was to take place in Axeoth after all. I also located Vanover's comment which I referred to earlier. It wasn't as definite as I remembered, but practically confirmation:

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=6913&pagenumber=1

"Axeoth is a big place, and there is plenty left to explore. Might and Magic IX and Heroes IV barely scratched the surface."

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Postby Yurian Stonebow » Aug 27 2009, 5:10

"Axeoth is a big place, and there is plenty left to explore. Might and Magic IX and Heroes IV barely scratched the surface."

This is indeed quite an interesting find here, Corlagon. Heroes V campaigns taking place in Axeoth with a Haven faction that has such (at least graphically) well inspired and good looking units? Count me in, I say! Too bad that 3DO went downhill since early 2000 only to reach rock bottom later in 2003. Makes one wonder what was really happening behind the closed doors of the company during those hectic times.



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Postby GreatEmerald » Sep 1 2009, 11:25

Well, back on topic, I have added two new pages:
http://3do.xsa1.com/investors/analysts.html - analysts, guys who had the unfortunate job of telling people "3DO is dead".
http://3do.xsa1.com/investors/annualreports.html - annual reports. This is some very interesting info, as some of the PDF files still existed so I added them here. It seems that the main downfall was in 2001, even though it wasn't too good in 2000 as well. It gives a lot of interesting data there, although since I'm not an economist, it sounds like gibberish to me... Yet still I recommend reading it. Loads of interesting statistics.

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Postby Angelspit » Sep 1 2009, 14:23

Wow, that brings back memories. I was just getting started in the community back then.
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