Basic stealth

[the_critical_process]

I'm not certain how one can gain xp using basic stealth. If I hire a new level 1 thief and approach near to but not adjacent to a level 1 mob, I still get the mob running up to me and attacking.

[Mutare Drake]

Yeah...I've noticed too that I seem to get 'caught' all the time, even when I've got advanced or better stealth. How exactly does it work?

[DaemianLucifer]

It works just like it sais in the description.Problem is that AI can sense where you are so it will "accidentally" pass by you thus revealing your location.

[the_critical_process]

So basic stealth has no de facto effect on play? Why then do folks tout the bandit as an excellent scout/gofer? What can they do that other lev 1 mobs can't do?

[DaemianLucifer]

They still can snatch artifacts and go through some tight spots where other units cant.

[grumpy_dwarf]

at higher levels like GM they can sneak around any of the neutrals grabbing experience and well guarded treasure. Just make sure you don't end up with summoning that makes your party detectable on the next turn. Also make sure you don't end up to close to roving neutrals -- they can "bump" into you.

As your levels go up you can indeed sneak around higher and higher level enemy stacks (GM required for 4th level). One of the maps (campaign?) basically required you to get GM Stealth. That was the only feasible way to get around some huge Neutral stacks to win. That being said, I still go for the Chaos magic before adding a thief.....

[the_critical_process]

Yes but I'm asking about basic stealth. Basic stealth does not seem to allow you to sneak by level one creatures. If you move within it's threat range - but not adjacent - you still get attacked. So of what use is basic stealth?

[the_critical_process]

Wow I just noticed that a bandit can indeed sneak past level 1 creatures, but a hero with basic stealth cannot. Can anyone else confirm this?

[Psychobabble]

The AI does not see your heroes with stealth (but if you stand right outside their town, they will hit you!) and you need lvl 2 stealth to sneak past lvl 1 creatures. Hero has to be on its own, too. You don't trigger the threat radius with lvl 1 stealth, but if you move within one square you trigger an attack.

[Gaidal Cain]

Wow I just noticed that a bandit can indeed sneak past level 1 creatures, but a hero with basic stealth cannot. Can anyone else confirm this?

Bandits have advanced Stealth, which is what you need to sneak past (and gain XP from!) level 1 creatures.

[Bandobras Took]

What basic stealth allows you to do is go into the "yellow area" around a level one troop. In other words, as the description says, you have to get right next to them before they'll attack you, whereas a hero without basic stealth would merely have to end the turn in their threat range.

[Milla aka. the Slayer]

The AI does not see your heroes with stealth (but if you stand right outside their town, they will hit you!) and you need lvl 2 stealth to sneak past lvl 1 creatures. Hero has to be on its own, too. You don't trigger the threat radius with lvl 1 stealth, but if you move within one square you trigger an attack.

So basically one would always have to be a level higher than the creature one is attacking in order to sneak by them undetected? Or do one only have the ability to sneak by lvl 1 creatures?

[Ethric]

Well if you attack a creature you won't sneak by them, you have to walk past to sneak by. But yeah, to sneak right by a creature you need Stealth 1 level higher than the creatures level.

[Milla aka. the Slayer]

Interesting. And does this rule apply for Thieves too? (from Chaos) or is it just everyone else?

[Gaidal Cain]

It applies to everyone.