What are you currently reading?

Light-hearted discussions, forum games and anything that doesn't fit into the other forums.

Moderators: Moderators, Celestial Heavens Staff

User avatar
ThunderTitan
Perpetual Poster
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 23266
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: Now/here
Contact:

Postby ThunderTitan » Apr 7 2007, 12:15

You know that not all german WWII scientists were nazis, right? And from what i read they didn't have enough uranium for the bomb because the Allies bombed their heavy water factories.

As for the Eastern Europe branch of the CIA being the former Nazi operation, that's quite common over here, all secret services in former commie countries are continuations of the former secret police under new names (proudly following the tradition set by the original russian organization).
Disclaimer: May contain sarcasm!
I have never faked a sarcasm in my entire life. - ???
"With ABC deleting dynamite gags from cartoons, do you find that your children are using explosives less frequently?" — Mark LoPresti

Alt-0128: €

Image

User avatar
Caradoc
Round Table Knight
Round Table Knight
Posts: 1780
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: Marble Falls Texas

Postby Caradoc » Apr 8 2007, 2:36

ThunderTitan wrote:You know that not all german WWII scientists were nazis, right? And from what i read they didn't have enough uranium for the bomb because the Allies bombed their heavy water factories.

As for the Eastern Europe branch of the CIA being the former Nazi operation, that's quite common over here, all secret services in former commie countries are continuations of the former secret police under new names (proudly following the tradition set by the original russian organization).


I guess that being an officer in the SS does not necessarily mean that that one is a Nazi, but many of these guys were at least sympathetic to the cause. And though some of the heavy water facilities may have been destroyed, others were moved along with the enriched uranium already produced.
Before you criticize someone, first walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you'll be a mile away. And you'll have their shoes.

User avatar
Corribus
Round Table Knight
Round Table Knight
Posts: 4994
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: The Duchy of Xicmox IV

Postby Corribus » Apr 9 2007, 0:16

Caradoc wrote:It appears that at the end of the war, they were pretty far along to the road to the nuclear bomb and that some deal was made for the US to acquire enough enriched uranium from them to make the first bomb.

I'm afraid the Germans were probably nowhere close to completing an atomic bomb. Their hopes of securing enough heavy water - let alone the appropriate engineering technology - were pretty much destroyed when the Allies (actually, the British) sabotaged the Norwegian heavy water facility in Vermork. Even if the Germans had been anywhere close to getting the required heavy water to make a reactor work, a reactor was only the first step in a huge effort to actually make a bomb. The amount of engineering breakthroughs that had to be made was astounding. After the war was over, Allies discovered that the Germans were much farther from a bomb than was feared, and Operations Freshman, Grouse and Gunnerside were probably not even necessary, although I'm convinced the story should be made into a modern movie.

If you want to know more about the Nazi bomb effort, such as it was, and the American bomb effort, I suggest the Pulitzer Prize winning "The making of the Atomic Bomb" by Richard Rhodes. The book does not skimp on detail.
"What men are poets who can speak of Jupiter if he were like a man, but if he is an immense spinning sphere of methane and ammonia must be silent?" - Richard P. Feynman

User avatar
ThunderTitan
Perpetual Poster
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 23266
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: Now/here
Contact:

Postby ThunderTitan » Apr 9 2007, 1:44

Anyone else find it funny that an american born german jew was the guy that headed the development of the bomb?
Disclaimer: May contain sarcasm!

I have never faked a sarcasm in my entire life. - ???
"With ABC deleting dynamite gags from cartoons, do you find that your children are using explosives less frequently?" — Mark LoPresti

Alt-0128: €


Image

User avatar
Kalah
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 20020
Joined: 24 Nov 2005

Postby Kalah » Apr 9 2007, 11:47

Irani ambassador: "I know what the US fears; an Islamic bomb."
Leo: "And I know Iran's fear; a Jewish bomb."
Irani ambassador: "Fermi, Oppenheimer, Teller... they're all Jewish bombs."

Corribus wrote:I'm afraid the Germans were probably nowhere close to completing an atomic bomb. Their hopes of securing enough heavy water - let alone the appropriate engineering technology - were pretty much destroyed when the Allies (actually, the British) sabotaged the Norwegian heavy water facility in Vermork.


Ahem! T'was a British-supported Norwegian mission. Our guys. More stuff on it here. The facility was blown up during operation Gunnerside. Only a few months later, however, production was back up and running. The British tried bombing the site, halting production for yet another short while.
On the 20th of February 1944 a transport barge with heavy water was sunk by the Norwegian resistance as it was crossing a lake. It was the end of Germany's heavy water efforts in Norway.

You're probably right that the Germans were far from completing a project building an atomic bomb. The thing is, the Germans had so many irons in the fire; trying to develop super-weapons. Tanks, planes, rockets, cannon... they simply couldn't decide what to go for, and they didn't have enough resources to do it all (though that didn't stop them from trying). Unlike the Americans, who set out to build an atomic bomb and allocated vast resources to that end. Nobody knows how long it would have taken Germany to complete their nuke, or if they had ever succeeded in building it, but it is clear that the successful operations at Rjukan played an important part in halting their efforts.
In War: Resolution, In Defeat: Defiance, In Victory: Magnanimity, In Peace: Goodwill.

User avatar
Corribus
Round Table Knight
Round Table Knight
Posts: 4994
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: The Duchy of Xicmox IV

Postby Corribus » Apr 9 2007, 13:21

Kalah wrote:Ahem! T'was a British-supported Norwegian mission. Our guys.


Sorry... :ashamed: :)
"What men are poets who can speak of Jupiter if he were like a man, but if he is an immense spinning sphere of methane and ammonia must be silent?" - Richard P. Feynman

User avatar
asandir
Round Table Hero
Round Table Hero
Posts: 15481
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: The campfire .... mostly

Postby asandir » Apr 10 2007, 4:33

I'm still waiting for my copies of The Legacy and Starless Night .... been about 2 weeks now and getting very tired of waiting!
Human madness is the howl of a child with a shattered heart.

User avatar
Mytical
Round Table Knight
Round Table Knight
Posts: 3780
Joined: 07 Aug 2006
Location: Mytical's Dimension

Postby Mytical » Apr 15 2007, 10:58

The Dark Tower books. Interesting read, a little confusing at times however. (Maybe just me). Sadly most of the good Sci-fi and Fantasy books I read when I was a kid. Consumed up to 10 books a day sometimes.
Warning, may cause confusion, blindness, raising of eybrows, and insanity. Image

User avatar
winterfate
Round Table Hero
Round Table Hero
Posts: 6191
Joined: 26 Nov 2006
Location: Puerto Rico

Postby winterfate » Apr 15 2007, 19:57

I'm still waiting on the third book of Eragon and the last book of Harry Potter myself...:(

I want to see how the Eragon trilogy ends...:oex:
The Round Table's birthday list!
Proud creator of Caladont 2.0!
You need to take the pain, learn from it and get back on that bike... - stefan
Sometimes the hearts most troubled make the sweetest melodies... - winterfate

User avatar
asandir
Round Table Hero
Round Table Hero
Posts: 15481
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: The campfire .... mostly

Postby asandir » Apr 16 2007, 0:38

and i'm also waiting for my books .... taking a long time
Human madness is the howl of a child with a shattered heart.

User avatar
Mytical
Round Table Knight
Round Table Knight
Posts: 3780
Joined: 07 Aug 2006
Location: Mytical's Dimension

Postby Mytical » Apr 16 2007, 5:37

Yeah seems like books take longer then most things, and cost a small fortune for shipping. Sometimes shipping cost more then the blasted book does! For instance, found a great deal on a paperback LoTR set. Was able to purchase all of them for a sum of money. When it got to total ammount, it had more then doubled because of shipping.
Warning, may cause confusion, blindness, raising of eybrows, and insanity. Image

User avatar
asandir
Round Table Hero
Round Table Hero
Posts: 15481
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: The campfire .... mostly

Postby asandir » Apr 16 2007, 5:39

and I'm just waiting on the library!!
Human madness is the howl of a child with a shattered heart.

User avatar
Angelspit
CH Founder
CH Founder
Posts: 6636
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: Angelspit
Contact:

Postby Angelspit » Apr 18 2007, 18:53

So, who's going to pick up the "new Tolkien" ? It's fairly short, but the price is decent (around $15), so I'll put it on my wishlist.

User avatar
Veldrynus
Round Table Hero
Round Table Hero
Posts: 2513
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: Inside your head!

Postby Veldrynus » Apr 18 2007, 18:58

Right, it is a "new Tolkien", and not a new Tolkien. That's why I don't care about it in the first place.
Veldryn 15:15 And Vel found a dirty old jawbone of a walrus and put forth his hand, and took it, and in his unholy rage, he slew thirty four thousand men and children therewith.

User avatar
ThunderTitan
Perpetual Poster
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 23266
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: Now/here
Contact:

Postby ThunderTitan » Apr 18 2007, 21:50

I only bought LotR coz it was cheap for a full trilogy package. But I'm sure I'll read a synopsis somewhere.
Disclaimer: May contain sarcasm!

I have never faked a sarcasm in my entire life. - ???
"With ABC deleting dynamite gags from cartoons, do you find that your children are using explosives less frequently?" — Mark LoPresti

Alt-0128: €


Image

User avatar
Omega_Destroyer
Round Table Hero
Round Table Hero
Posts: 6939
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Location: Corner of your Eye

Postby Omega_Destroyer » Apr 18 2007, 22:25

Reading nothing at the moment. :)
And the chickens. Those damn chickens.

User avatar
Marzhin
Pit Lord
Pit Lord
Posts: 1204
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: Montreuil, France
Contact:

Postby Marzhin » Apr 19 2007, 8:55

I recently finished reading the Earthsea books by Ursula le Guin. Very good stuff.

User avatar
DemonHunter
Peasant
Peasant
Posts: 88
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: Belgium

Postby DemonHunter » Apr 19 2007, 16:04

I finnished the drenai series by David Gemmel and just started his smaller hawk queen serie :)

User avatar
asandir
Round Table Hero
Round Table Hero
Posts: 15481
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: The campfire .... mostly

Postby asandir » Apr 20 2007, 2:59

well I got The Legacy and Starless Night and finished The Legacy already, not bad though had a surprising turn in it
Human madness is the howl of a child with a shattered heart.

User avatar
ThunderTitan
Perpetual Poster
Perpetual Poster
Posts: 23266
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Location: Now/here
Contact:

Postby ThunderTitan » Apr 20 2007, 7:00

Yeah, i guess someone pointed out the thing about the 2 humans getting together being cliched or somesuch.
Disclaimer: May contain sarcasm!

I have never faked a sarcasm in my entire life. - ???
"With ABC deleting dynamite gags from cartoons, do you find that your children are using explosives less frequently?" — Mark LoPresti

Alt-0128: €


Image


Return to “Campfire”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 10 guests