Spiderman 3

Bethel · Unread postby **Bethel** » 15 Nov 2006, 22:33

ThunderTitan wrote:
Bethel wrote: I always found that version of Doc Ock to be boring to the max. In Spdey 2 he was written in such a way that I could find sympathy for the character, which I hadn't previously believed possible.

Different roads, different milage. Maybe it's a guy/girl thing...
Pls, they've been doing the sympathetic villain thing for too long. And Spidey has plenty of other villains that are that way. Why can't someone just not care? And that whole "nanites drove me crazy" thing sucked.

Because then you have the Joker, and a good portion of Batman's gallery of villains.

As I said - different roads, different milage.

asandir · Unread postby **asandir** » 16 Nov 2006, 01:38

Corribus wrote:
ThunderTitan wrote: Pls, they've been doing the sympathetic villain thing for too long. And Spidey has plenty of other villains that are that way. Why can't someone just not care? And that whole "nanites drove me crazy" thing sucked.
That's actually true. Every villain these days has a secret heart of gold. What ever happened to the guys that ran over little bunny rabbits just to hear them go *SQUISH*?

I'm with ya there, I don't mind a tortured soul in a drama, or some such, but in my superhero movies, I like 'em mean .... I don't mind the occasional misplaced loyalty, or the like, but meanness is good!

Mytical · Unread postby **Mytical** » 16 Nov 2006, 06:44

I have to agree here. In superhero comics, who really cares if the villian had his pet puppy kicked when he was 5? A supervillian is trying to a) rule the world, b) kill everybody, c) raise money to do a or b, c) just crazy and doesn't care and does a,b, and c!

Enough psychology in our supervillians. Concentrate on the angst or problems the superhero faces. Make them more human in how they feel and what they do.

asandir · Unread postby **asandir** » 16 Nov 2006, 07:24

Mytical wrote:I have to agree here. In superhero comics, who really cares if the villian had his pet puppy kicked when he was 5? A supervillian is trying to a) rule the world, b) kill everybody, c) raise money to do a or b, c) just crazy and doesn't care and does a,b, and c!

Enough psychology in our supervillians. Concentrate on the angst or problems the superhero faces. Make them more human in how they feel and what they do.

right on!

good post to boot

The Mad Dragon · Unread postby **The Mad Dragon** » 16 Nov 2006, 15:21

I agree with Mytical. Any supervillain's have I have seen do just that, or atleast attempt anyways.

I want one comic where the situation is reversed and the Supervillain achieves his goal and the hero constantly fails.

Omega_Destroyer · Unread postby **Omega_Destroyer** » 16 Nov 2006, 16:27

You should read more manga then.

The Mad Dragon · Unread postby **The Mad Dragon** » 16 Nov 2006, 16:30

Oh? Explainage....

Mytical · Unread postby **Mytical** » 16 Nov 2006, 16:41

Manga has a lot where things never goes the heroes way and the bad guys get to do about whatever they want

. Until the very end, which maybe years away. Of course, there is a lot of nudity (not all but most) and some gratuitous sex scenes, but there is a lot of manga out there that do fit your description.

The Mad Dragon · Unread postby **The Mad Dragon** » 16 Nov 2006, 16:46

Yea, I've read a few manga's in my time. One of them being Initial D, but now we are digressing

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 16 Nov 2006, 17:49

Bethel wrote: Because then you have the Joker, and a good portion of Batman's gallery of villains.

As I said - different roads, different milage.

Please, i've seen enough of both types of villains. My beaf was with the damn movies. Spidey already did the "gone criminaly insane" thing. I just don't think that really worked with Doc Ock. And i always hate it when they just change stuff like that about a character when it worked better as it was. And now everyone seems to be doing it.

Enough psychology in our supervillians.

I don't really have anything against it, it's just that why they're crazy/evil doesn't always have to be something that makes them sympathetic.

The Mad Dragon · Unread postby **The Mad Dragon** » 16 Nov 2006, 17:54

I found nothing sympathetic towards Harry Osbourne.

asandir · Unread postby **asandir** » 17 Nov 2006, 00:12

but methinks that's cause they characterised him as a tool .... I found him inconsequential

Elvin · Unread postby **Elvin** » 17 Nov 2006, 00:29

Maybe.It seems as if he was just on the receiving end with little choice in the matter and a mostly linear way ahead.

asandir · Unread postby **asandir** » 17 Nov 2006, 01:28

perhaps, and it's not his fault certainly, but it still remains true

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 17 Nov 2006, 10:34

Meh, Harry was never a good villain. And without the crazy hair he's just an annoying rich kid.

The Mad Dragon · Unread postby **The Mad Dragon** » 17 Nov 2006, 15:25

Crazy hair?

ThunderTitan · Unread postby **ThunderTitan** » 17 Nov 2006, 15:49

Both Osbornes had black hair with red lines in it.

The Mad Dragon · Unread postby **The Mad Dragon** » 17 Nov 2006, 16:08

Really? I must have missed it....

And somehow, I dont' see harry being a convincing goblin, lol.

Elvin · Unread postby **Elvin** » 17 Nov 2006, 17:24

I think he was referring to the comic.
We'll have to make do with the 'maddened with grief/burning for vengeance' type of villain-nah sounds more like an antihero.The only thing of interest is his relation to spiderman and how it will affect him not the character itself.I'm just glad venom will be there as a baddie,the others are just a bonus

The Mad Dragon · Unread postby **The Mad Dragon** » 17 Nov 2006, 20:08

It won't be a baddy yet. I expect full villain venom in 4

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