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Postby Zamolxis » Aug 2 2008, 14:10

La ce te referi mai exact?

Daca vorbesti de H4 inteleg, pt ca e conceput total diferit. H3 insa e destul de asemanator, doar ca 2D, mai vechi, insa mult mai bine facut pentru vremea lui (parerea mea).
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Postby Asheera » Aug 2 2008, 14:19

Despre H3:

Nu e problema ca e 2D, doar nu-mi place conceptul de creaturi (prea multe "bestii" si mai multe rase (elf, human) intr-un singur regat)

Si am auzit si ca e nebalansat, mai ales Morale (actionezi imediat... clar mai bun ca Luck) si ca nu are Initiative (doar Speed)

H5 are de fapt mult mai bun Skill system-ul (pentru mine) si eroii au specializari, etc...
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Postby blacktrance » Aug 2 2008, 14:31

A po-russki zdes' kto-nibut' govorit?
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Postby Lord Lakely » Aug 2 2008, 14:31

WDH is die aan het zeggen?

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Postby Zamolxis » Aug 2 2008, 16:17

'k Denk dat het Orkish is. :p
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Postby Lord Lakely » Aug 2 2008, 17:04

Ik had het over Asheera eigenlijk :P

Blacktrance komt uit Rusland, dus hij spreekt Russisch

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Postby Asheera » Aug 2 2008, 17:12

Bun Google asta la traduceri :D
Lord Lakely wrote:I talked about Asheera actually :P

Blacktrance comes from Russia, so he speaks Russian


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Postby Zamolxis » Aug 2 2008, 17:38

Asheera wrote:Despre H3:

Nu e problema ca e 2D, doar nu-mi place conceptul de creaturi (prea multe "bestii" si mai multe rase (elf, human) intr-un singur regat)

Si am auzit si ca e nebalansat, mai ales Morale (actionezi imediat... clar mai bun ca Luck) si ca nu are Initiative (doar Speed)

H5 are de fapt mult mai bun Skill system-ul (pentru mine) si eroii au specializari, etc...

Sa le luam pe rand:

* Prea multe "bestii": pai mie asta imi placea la H3 - varietatea. Cand am aflat intial cate creaturi va avea H5, parca mi s-a taiat macaroana. Vreo 50% din creaturile cu care eu ma obisnuisem si imi placea sa le am in joc, urmau sa nu fie in lansarea initiala... fie ca sa fie jocul "mai simplu", fie ca le-a fost lene sa creeze tot atatea cat au creat cei de la NWC in H3 (a bit of both I guess).

* Mai multe rase intr-un singur regat: scuze, dar ce sa zic de H5. Macar in H3 Hydrele erau la locul lor impreuna cu alte creaturi reptiliene in ceea ce se numea acolo Fortress. Ce-or cauta acum cu tipele alea pe tocuri, pe tavanul unei pesteri uscate, chiar nu-mi dau seama. Cateva regate au de fapt mai multe rase in ele decat erau in H3. Adevaratul motiv pt care regatele sunt cum sunt acum, e ca Nival sunt fani Warhammer, si au copiat de acolo intr-o veselie. Ceea ce ma aduce la un alt motiv pt care nu-mi place H5 - si-a pierdut destul de mult originalitatea.

* "am auzit ca nu e balansat" - ba chiar foarte balansat. Doar un add-on a venit cu o factiune putin nebalansata, dar e poveste lunga cum de s-a ajuns la asa ceva. Macar in H3 au pus suficient efort in crearea unui AI decent. H5 e "balansat" prin cadouri in resurse si "teleportari" ale oponentilor, altfel ar fi floare la ureche sa bati calculatorul.

* Initiativa: asta e printre foarte putinele imbunatatiri. Daca nu ar fi avut si asa ceva, ar fi fost un dezastru in randul fanilor. Insa nu e o scuza pt cate au lasat pe dinafara sau au implementat prost.

Crede-ma, am facut parte din toate grupurile de testeri (imi gasesti numele in Credits), inclusiv cei selectati sa lucreze la un moment dat direct cu producatorul - si mi s-a facut greata de cat de amatoristic lucrau rusii de la Nival, si cu cata lipsa de respect pt noi cei din comunitate. Inca de cu 1 an inainte de lansare li s-a spus ce e bine si ce nu, si cum s-ar putea imbunatatii, dar tratau orice sugestie cu ditamai orgoliul - nu corectau cum noi sugeram, insa vazand ca totusi acolo era o problema, veneau ei ci o solutie "originala", care insa mereu era mai proasta decat cea venita din partea noastra.

E bine ca iti place jocul asa cum e. Insa nici n-ai idee cat de bun ar fi putut sa fie daca am fi avut un developer mai bun. Mai bine sa nu stii, insa pt cei ca mine, care au vazut cate sanse au fost ratate, cate prostii au putut face, jocul nu mai poate avea acum nici un farmec.
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Postby theLuckyDragon » Aug 2 2008, 17:44

Pentru mine nu prea are farmec H5 pentru că nu merge pe calculatorul meu. OK, dar nici Civ4 nu mergea iniţial, însă după al doilea sau al treilea patch situaţia s-a îmbunătăţit considerabil. Ar fi trebuit să facă ceva şi pentru performance în toate patchurile alea ăştia de la Nival...
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Postby Lord Lakely » Aug 2 2008, 17:47

@ Asheera: Vertalen met Google zuigt een pak.

Zamolxis' tekst in Google:

Googlewagged Zamolxis wrote:Laat ze nemen de rand:

* Te veel "bestii" PAI duizend dat ik hou van de H3 - ras. Toen ik ontdekte oorspronkelijke vele wezens zal worden H5, net als ik was afgesneden macaroana. Vreo 50% van de wezens met wie ik obisnuisem en ik dol op het spel, niet in de eerste lancering ... wordt het spel "gemakkelijker", aangezien het is om alle leen hoeveel mensen hebben de NWC in H3 (een beetje van beide denk ik).

* Meer races in een koninkrijk: sorry, maar wat te zeggen H5. Ten minste in H3 Hydrele werden in plaats samen met andere wezens reptiliene in de zogenaamde Fort. Wat of zoeken nu met de tocuri tipele die aan het plafond van een droge grotten, zelfs ik weet het niet. Sommige rassen zijn eigenlijk meer races dan in de H3. Echte reden voor de koninkrijken zijn, zoals nu is dat Nival zijn Warhammer fans, en er zijn gekopieerd naar een genot. En dat brengt mij tot een andere reden voor het niet zoals de H5 - en heeft verloren behoorlijk veel originaliteit.

* "Ik hoor het is niet evenwichtig" - zelfs zeer evenwichtig. Slechts een add-on kwam met een factiune minste nebalansata, maar het is het verhaal van hoe lang het was iets. Ten minste in H3 gebracht genoeg moeite in het maken van een degelijke AI. H5 is "evenwichtige" door de giften en middelen "teleportari" van oponentilor anders zouden voortvloeien uit oor te raken op de computer.

* Initiatief: dit is een van de weinige verbeteringen. Zo niet, en zou zijn geweest iets, zou zijn een ramp onder de fans. Maar niet een excuus voor hoeveel hebben de dinafara of onvoldoende ten uitvoer gelegd.

Geloof me, ik maakte deel uit van alle groepen testers (vind mijn naam in Credits), met inbegrip van die gekozen om te werken op een moment rechtstreeks met de producent - en ik was misselijkheid hoe amatoristic werkte rusii van Nival, en veel gebrek aan respect voor de gemeenschap in november. Sinds de 1 jaar vóór de lancering kregen te horen wat goed is en wat niet, en hoe deze zou kunnen verbeteren, maar iedere suggestie die behandeld worden met enorme orgoliul - corectau niet voorstellen hoe in november, maar zien alsof er een probleem was gekomen een oplossing, maar de "originele", maar altijd was meer dan de armen venita van ons.

Het is goed dat je de liefde van het spel als e. Maar noch heb geen idee hoe goed zou kunnen worden als we hadden een ontwikkelaar beter. Mag niet beter weten, maar voor diegenen zoals ik die gezien hebben veel kansen werden gemist, veel hebben kunnen maken onzin, het spel nu niet kan noch mag er een charme.


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Postby Asheera » Aug 2 2008, 17:57

Zamolxis wrote:* Prea multe "bestii": pai mie asta imi placea la H3 - varietatea. Cand am aflat intial cate creaturi va avea H5, parca mi s-a taiat macaroana. Vreo 50% din creaturile cu care eu ma obisnuisem si imi placea sa le am in joc, urmau sa nu fie in lansarea initiala...
Depinde de gustul fiecaruia ;)

Zamolxis wrote:* Mai multe rase intr-un singur regat: scuze, dar ce sa zic de H5. Macar in H3 Hydrele erau la locul lor impreuna cu alte creaturi reptiliene in ceea ce se numea acolo Fortress. Ce-or cauta acum cu tipele alea pe tocuri, pe tavanul unei pesteri uscate, chiar nu-mi dau seama. Cateva regate au de fapt mai multe rase in ele decat erau in H3. Adevaratul motiv pt care regatele sunt cum sunt acum, e ca Nival sunt fani Warhammer, si au copiat de acolo intr-o veselie. Ceea ce ma aduce la un alt motiv pt care nu-mi place H5 - si-a pierdut destul de mult originalitatea.
Este adevarat ca si-a pierdut originalitatea, dar tocmai de aceea mie imi place mai mult. Adica, eu nu sunt un fan al universului din M&M (de fapt, nici nu-mi prea place) si de aceea imi plac mai mult ideile din H5 care sunt inspirate din Warhammer sau din alte parti. Depinde de gustul fiecaruia, evident. :)


Lord Lakely wrote:@ Asheera: Vertalen met Google zuigt een pak.
I agree (used Google again) but for short sentences it makes some sense.
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Postby blacktrance » Aug 2 2008, 21:50

LL:
Blacktrance komt uit Rusland, dus hij spreekt Russisch
That's an easy thing to translate. You don't need Google translator for this.

@ Mvass/Blacktrance: Haven't seen Russian-speakers here yet. Sorry.
Strange, there usually are a bunch of Russian-speakers at HOMM message boards.
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Postby Zamolxis » Aug 2 2008, 22:33

Maybe they like to keep to the Russian message boards... :)

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Si-acum gata cu engleza, ca prea poluam topicul asta cu ea in ultimul timp, ok?
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Postby blacktrance » Aug 2 2008, 22:34

Zamolxis wrote:Maybe they like to keep to the Russian message boards... :)
There are plenty at HC, though. :)
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Postby Zamolxis » Aug 2 2008, 23:42

Asta din cauza lui Valera probabil... :p
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Postby blacktrance » Aug 3 2008, 0:48

Yeah, "probabil". You can't hide your meaning behind simple Romanian sentences! :P
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Postby Zamolxis » Aug 3 2008, 0:52

Din contra. Folosesc cuvinte cat mai simple, in speranta ca vei intelege. ;)
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Postby blacktrance » Aug 3 2008, 1:17

No zato ty men'a ne mozhesh ponimat'.
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Postby Lord Lakely » Aug 3 2008, 13:53

I understand the essence if that :P (I can more-or-less speak Bulgarian)

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Postby blacktrance » Aug 3 2008, 15:34

Po skol'kim yazykam ty mozhesh rozgavarivat'/ponimat'? Ya dumal shto ya mnogoyazychny (potomu chto ya znayu russkiy, angliyskiy, i imeyu nemnogo poniman'ya ispanskogo), no l'udi szdes' vobshe...

(Lord Lakely, ya ochen' somnivayus' shto ty smozhesh vs'o eto perevesti. :P)
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