So is this game worth buying?

The game Might & Magic: Heroes VII, developed by Limbic Entertainment.

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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby Kalah » Oct 8 2015, 10:02

Thanks, I'll try that - although my PC at this point should be able to handle anything.
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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby Galaad » Oct 9 2015, 10:19

Hey Dan I don't understand, I thought you were developer, but in HC your status says "Community Manager", and here "Game Designer"??

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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby gomaki » Oct 9 2015, 10:41

Hey Galaad.
Think it's just semantics with in title. I do more than just community manage but this is my primary roll right now.

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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby Dalai » Oct 9 2015, 14:41

Kalah wrote:my PC at this point should be able to handle anything.
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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby Bloax » Oct 9 2015, 21:42

Completely off-topic, but god damn; quotes break the forum layout pretty damn hardcore with javascript disabled.

And seemingly only if it's the last post that has a quote??
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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby Banedon » Oct 10 2015, 3:04

wimfrits wrote:I'm so very said reading all this. Really had my hopes up high. I'll refrain from buying the game just yet.


You sure are optimistic wimfrits. I didn't have high hopes going into the release, so the game being decidedly average (6.1-6.7 on Gamerankins and Metacritic last I saw) didn't really affect me. I'll just play some other game like I have been doing :)
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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby wimfrits » Oct 10 2015, 17:59

Banedon wrote:You sure are optimistic wimfrits. I didn't have high hopes going into the release, so the game being decidedly average (6.1-6.7 on Gamerankins and Metacritic last I saw) didn't really affect me. I'll just play some other game like I have been doing :)


You mean this is NOT the end of the world? ;)
Yeah I guess you're right. I'll stick to D3 for now.
But I still like to keep an open mind and see what developers are able to pull off in upcoming patches.
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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby cjlee » Oct 11 2015, 1:46

Considering your standards wimfrits, you should fight with both hands tied behind your back. AI is reportedly so bad, a gamer of your caliber might be able to beat it with only your starting troops for every map.

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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby wimfrits » Oct 11 2015, 8:13

I see. Like you I plan on waiting out quite some development cycles hoping the game will improve sufficiently.

You know, the thing that struck me the most in this discussion was that even Mr Positive Panda has turned sour 8|
I never thought I'd see that happen. Someone needs to stay optimistic :-D
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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby Panda Tar » Oct 11 2015, 22:12

Yeah, you see how far they managed to make things turn out, now, wimfrits. ^^
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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby mr.hackcrag » Oct 12 2015, 3:10

wimfrits wrote: so the game being decidedly average (6.1-6.7)


I've heard several people describe a score of 6/10 as average. I don't get it. That's a D. How would you feel if you got a D on a test? C's aren't even transferable here.

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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby BB Shockwave » Oct 12 2015, 5:01

Banedon wrote:
wimfrits wrote:I'm so very said reading all this. Really had my hopes up high. I'll refrain from buying the game just yet.


You sure are optimistic wimfrits. I didn't have high hopes going into the release, so the game being decidedly average (6.1-6.7 on Gamerankins and Metacritic last I saw) didn't really affect me. I'll just play some other game like I have been doing :)


I read much lower ratings elsewhere. But the general concensus is, as Totalbiscuit says too: it's an average Heroes game with tons of bugs and balance issues that doesn't give you anything really new, so... why not play some of the older, better made games like III or V which do the same and have no such issues?

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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby Banedon » Oct 12 2015, 14:51

mr.hackcrag wrote:
wimfrits wrote: so the game being decidedly average (6.1-6.7)


I've heard several people describe a score of 6/10 as average. I don't get it. That's a D. How would you feel if you got a D on a test? C's aren't even transferable here.


I think you're overly harsh, or perhaps you have a different educational background compared to me. In my experience, 80-100 is "A", 60-80 is "B", 40-60 is "C", and so on. So a score of 60 is completely average. In the same way sites that provide such scores often say 6 is 'fair', i.e. average. 6 is a fair score for MMH6 in my opinion. That game wasn't good, but there are worse games out there too. That said, man MMH7 looks similar to MMH6. Things like the combat screen are immediately recognizable, which does not bode well. It doesn't bode well either how the first patch is coming out so soon. Why publish a game one knows is seriously flawed? Why not give it more time?

There have been reviews that gave MMH7 as high a score as 88, but there have also been reviews that gave it 40+. The consensus I've seen ties in with what BB Shockwave wrote: if one is a fan of the series, then there's an argument for playing this, but if one is new to the game, then one of the classic titles makes more sense. Well, I am a fan of the series, but I don't need more of MMH6. That game got so tedious I didn't play any scenarios after the campaigns (and even dragging myself through the campaigns was a huge chore). :disagree:

I still might buy this game someday, the most likely scenario being an expansion that receives good reviews.
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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby gourley4p » Oct 12 2015, 17:12

Banedon wrote:I am a fan of the series, but I don't need more of MMH6. That game got so tedious I didn't play any scenarios after the campaigns (and even dragging myself through the campaigns was a huge chore).

I experienced the same, Banedon. The Town Portal spell in MMH6 was very broken and made conflicts with the AI a game of freeze tag. I couldn't make it through many of the campaigns because of that. So far, the MMH7 campaigns are MUCH better. A play about 95% of the time on campaigns since my wife and daughter don't play (otherwise, hot seat would be on). For me, MMH7 is a huge improvement over MMH6. Still, you should watch videos, read reviews, and consult trusted sources before making your purchasing decision.

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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby Wlf2kme » Oct 13 2015, 13:10

I admit that there are quite a lot of issues with HOMM VII. Having not finished a single campaign I'm not fully qualified to make this comment, however might I note that the quite well liked HOMM V was riddled with bugs and performance issues when it first came out. Come to think of it, there still are issues with HOMM V, mainly memory issues on large maps.

And to take things on a broader scale, I don't think I've bought many games near their release date that didn't contain lots of issues. Obviously postponing the release by a month could seriously help, although commercial and contractual obligations probably make that quite hard.

As with any modern piece of technology the 'early adopters' will likely need to wait a little while for the product to mature. I'm semi-confident that it will. But if one can't cope with that, well, don't buy it just yet.

For one, I'm very glad that HOMM VII is a lot more like HOMM V than it is like HOMM VI, as the latter was truly horrible. No increased level of maturity could help out in that department.

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Re: Bug reports after patch 1.2

Postby crislevin » Oct 15 2015, 14:42

It is incredible. Since I know my saved game will not work, I tried to start over the Sylvan 2nd map. Now my game would not start a new campaign at all and my computer eventually freezes. This game isn't worth a penny right now as I simply can't play it at all.

Sorry about my language, but I am incredibly pissed at the moment, I can't believe I paid $50 for this months before the lunch and waited for the supposed savior patch. The impotence of the whole thing is beyond anything I have ever seen. I would be damned to pre-order or order anything from this publisher+developer team in the future.

BTW, I verified the game cache integrity in steam, It did NOT solve this and I had to force reboot my computer after that loading screen turned into death of my computer.

UPDATE: I have asked for a refund through steam, with or without refund (depends on steam), I will check back for this game in a few months when its actually becomes playable for most people. Words cannot express my regret for the franchise turning into what it is now in the hand of Ubi.

UPDATE 2:Steam refused my refund because I played 5 hrs, never mind 4 hr of which was just waiting for the game to load. I completely de-installed and re-installed the game, then did another verify integrity, now a new campaign can start, fingers crossed to see if save will be corrupted again.

This should never happen like this, patches have to be better packaged so it can patch the game properly w/o requesting additional steps that most customers don't usually do.

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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby Kalah » Oct 15 2015, 20:38

@crislevin: I moved your post here, as it is a general complaint rather than a specific bug report.
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Re: Bug reports after patch 1.2

Postby Panda Tar » Oct 15 2015, 20:45

crislevin wrote:This should never happen like this, patches have to be better packaged so it can patch the game properly w/o requesting additional steps that most customers don't usually do.


Yeah, this is proving rather bad. Not everyone is checking SC to see additional info on how deal with this matter. People are left to get additional stress for free, until they manage to dig in for more information. :disagree:
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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby Pol » Oct 15 2015, 20:47

First I read it: "People are working to get additional stress for free..." :)
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Re: So is this game worth buying?

Postby Panda Tar » Oct 15 2015, 20:48

:D It also makes sense, you know.
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