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Homm6 idea topic.

Postby Ashrah » Feb 13 2007, 23:26

Hey helloww.

THis is very early I know! But this are my early wishes.

This would be my perfect homm6

*Name* = Creature is race based but sits/rides upon a non-race based creature.
(ability) = This ability is only used by the upgraded creature, this special abilities are unique and no other creature has this ability.
Of course all creatures have more abilities like:
No retaliation
Magic Resistance
No range penalty
No melee penalty
Elemental
Undead
Mechanical
Enrage
Bash
Unlimited Retaliations
And the list goes on and on... but I won't name such abilities YET, only the special ability that makes each creature unique.
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ORC (STRONGHOLD)
Race based creatures: Berserker - Gladiator - Shaman - *War Boar*
1: GOBLIN / SLAVER (taunt)
2: BERSERKER /SAVAGE (frenzy)
3: HARPY / FURY (pain mirror)
4: SHAMAN / BLOOD PRIEST (blood lust)
5: GLADIATOR / CHAMPION (merciless)
6: WAR BOAR / WARTHOG (toughness)
7: ROC / STORM ROC (lightning storm)
8: CYCLOPS / ELDER (rock throw)

Ranged: Goblin / Fury / Cyclops / Elder
Flyer: Harpy / Fury / Roc / Storm Roc
Caster: Shaman / Blood Mage
Female: Harpy / Fury
Large: Cyclops / Elder / Roc / Storm Roc

Slaver = Goblin who agrees with orcs and accepted to hunt en enslave their own kind.
Fury = Harpy with sharp feathers like stymphian bird.
Warthog = Monstrous boar with unpiercable skin like nemean lion.
Storm Roc = Same as Thunderbird.

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AQUALOI (ATLANTIS)
Race based creatures: Pirate - Hunter - *Sharkoid Shepherd*

1: PIRATE / CAPTAIN (sea navigation)
2: SEA DEMON / SEA DEVIL (sea curse)
3: HUNTER / TRAPPER (urchin trap)
4: NEREID / UNDINE (slow)
5: SHARKOID SHEPHERD / SHARKOID RAIDER (shark bite)
6: NAGA / MATRIARCH (double cast)
7: KRAKEN / CHARYBDIS (ship terror)
8: DRAGON TURTLE / LEVIATHAN (devour)

Ranged: Hunter / Trapper
Flyer: None
Caster: Naga / Matriarch
Female: Nereid / Undine / Naga / Matriarch
Large: Leviathan / Dragon Turtle / Kraken / Charybdis / Sharkoid Shepherd / Sharkoid Raider
Note = There are no flying monsters in this town, but there are swimming creatures that make up for that.

Pirate / Hunter / Shepherd = No humans they are merman (without fishtail) like creatures called aqualoi.
Sharkoid = Land based shark with four legs.
Hunter = A aqualoi that uses an starfish as boomerang.
Trapper = A hunter that uses urchins as spike-traps and spike-bombs.
Naga = Like the other homm-versions, so the 6 armed serpent woman.
Kraken & Charybdis = Octopus monsters.
Leviathan & Dragon Turtle = Turtle monsters.

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HUMAN (CASTLE)
Race based creatures: Peasant - *Avian keeper* - Crusader - *Knight*

1: PEASANT / MILITIA (workaholic)
2: ARMOR HOUND / WAR HOUND (war howl)
3: AVIAN KEEPER / EAGLE EYE (hawk eye)
4: GRIFFON / IMPERIAL GRIFFIN (battle dive)
5: SAINT / ARCHON (holy prayer)
6: CRUSADER / PALADIN (death ward)
7: CAVALIER / KNIGHT (charge)
8: ANGEL / SOLAR (ressurection)

Ranged: Avian Keeper / Eagle eye / Saint / Archon
Flyer: Griffon / Royal Griffon / Angel / Arcangel
Caster: Paladin / Saint / Archon
Female: Saint / Archon
Large: Angel / Solar

Avian Keeper & Eagle Eye = Bird trainers that train hawks and eagles as scouts and hunters.
Saint & Archon = Holy light creatures that resemble homm3 zealots with light instead of flesh.

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WOOD ELF (RAMPART)
Race based creatures: *Pegasus Scout* - Ranger - Druid

1: HALFLING / SLINGER (giant slayer)
2: FAIRY / PIXIE (fortune)
3: PEGASUS SCOUT / WINGED SPY (magic damper)
4: RANGER / SHARPSHOOTER (elemental arrows)
5: DRUID / GUARDIAN (summon nature)
6: UNICORN / SILVER UNICORN (empathy/antipathy)
7: DENDROID / ANCIENT (bark aura)
8: FOREST DRAGON / EMERALD DRAGON (natures embrace)

Ranged: Halfling / Slinger / Ranger / Sharpshooter
Flyer: Fairy / Pixie / Pegasus Scout / Spy / Forest Dragon / Emerald Dragon
Caster: Druid / Guardian
Female: Fairy / Pixie / Pegasus Scout / Winged Spy
Large: Dendroid / Ancient / Forest Dragon / Emerald Dragon

Pegasus Scout & Winged Spy = Female elves.
Ranger & Sharpshooter = Male elves.
Druid & Guardian = Male elves.
Dendroid & Ancient = Like the homm3 dendroids.
Forest dragon = Green Dragon with other name.

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DARK ELF (DARK WOODS)
Race based creatures: Assassin - Blade dancer - Werewolf - Witch

1: WISP / WILL O WISP (blind)
2: ASSASSIN / ROGUE (thief)
3: BLADE DANCER / SHADE DANCER (moon blades)
4: WEREWOLF / WENDIGO (dark transformation)
5: WITCH / NIGHT WITCH (polymorph)
6: TROLL / DREAD TROLL (dread regeneration)
7: BLACK SPIDER / ARACHNOID (dark web)
8: SHADOW DRAGON / ECLIPSE DRAGON (eclipse aura)

Ranged: Assassin / Rogue / Hag / Night Hag
Flyer: Wisp / Will O Wisp / Shadow Dragon / Eclipse Dragon
Caster: Hag / Night Hag
Female: Hag / Night Hag
Large: Shadow Dragon / Eclipse Dragon / Arachnoid

Wisps & Will O Wisps = Orbs made from bright colored lights.
Assassin & Rogue = Male dark elves.
Blade Dancer & Shade Dancer = Male dark elves, Wardancers look like the homm5 versions but they are now dark elves instead of wood elves.
Werewolves = Male dark elves that turn into wolf-like creatures when they go underground or when they are within the Ecalipse Dragons Shadow-Aura.
Wendigo = Always wolf-like creature.
Hag & Night Hag = Female dark elves.
Black Spider = Jumping spider.
Arachnoid = Black tarantula.
Eclipse Dragon = Black Dragon renamed.

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DWARF (FORETRESS)
Race based creatures: Defender - Rune caster - *Grizzly rider*

1: KOBOLD / PROWLER (stealth)
2: DEFENDER / SHIELD SMITH (magic shield)
3: GARGOYLE / WARGOYLE (brick break)
4: BEAR RIDER / GRIZZLY RIDER (crush obstacle)
5: MEDUSA / GORGON (control stone)
6: RUNE CASTER / RUNE MASTER (elemental gift)
7: LURKER / ANTEUS (ground manifestation)
8: ROCK WYRM / LAVA WYRM (heat shield)

Ranged: Medusa / Gorgon
Flyer: Gargoyle / Wargoyle
Caster: Rune Caster / Rune Master
Female: Medusa / Gorgon
Large: Lurker / Anteus / Rock Wyrm / Lava Wyrm

Kobold & Prowler = These were said to be once normal dwarves, but isolation made them go insane and they turned into gollem (LOTR) like creatures.
Gargoyle & Wargoyle = Much like the homm3 versions, NO WAY they look like the homm5 versions! YUCK!
Rock & Lava Wyrm = Worm-like creatures, no dragons.
Lurker & Anteus = Earth elemental like creatures.
Medusa = Medusa with legs.
Gorgon = Medusa with serpent body.
Medusa & Gorgon = Enslaved by dwarves. (They are stone-based)
Rune caster & Rune master = These are large, horned dwarves the size of a troll.

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TROGLODYTE (ASYLUM)
Race based creatures: Slave - *Tracker* - Crystaldyte - *Behemoth*

1: SLAVE / MINER (crystal mine)
2: SCARAB / BOMBARD (acid bomb)
3: GLOOM BAT / DOOM BAT (sonar)
4: TRACKER / ENFORCER (swift strike)
5: CRYSTALDYTE / DIAMONDYTE (absorb)
6: MINOTAUR / MINOTAUR KING (concurrence)
7: HYDRA / CHAOS BEAST (chaos bite)
8: BEHEMOTH / CRUSHER (trample)

Ranged: Scarab / Bombard
Flyer: Gloom Bat / Doom Bat
Caster: Crystaldyte / Diamondyte
Female: None
Large: Behemoth / Crusher / Hydra / Chaos Beast

All Troglodytes = All different kind of lizardmen.
Slave & Miner = Brown monitorlizard-like lizardmen.
Tracker & Enforcer = Raptor-like lizardmen who ride on true raptor-dinosaurs.
Crystaldyte & Diamondyte = Chameleon-like lizardman with crystals growing all over them.
Behemoth & Crusher = Tyrannosaurus-like beasts with muscled t.rex-like troglodytes riding them.
Minotaur = Naked minotaur with simple axe and small horns.
Minotaur King = Minotaur with golden armor, 2 golden axes, golden mask, golden rings around his large horns and blood signs drawn within his dark-brown fur.

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MAGE/DEMI-HUMAN (ACADEMY)
Race based creatures: Student - Illusionist - Wizard

1: GREMLIN / ENGINEER (repair/sabotage)
2: STUDENT / MAGE (scholar)
3: GOLEM / JUGGERNOUT (magic mirror)
4: ILLUSIONIST / MYSTIC (mirror image)
5: DJINN / SULTAN (wish)
6: WIZARD / ENCHANTER (irresistible magic)
7: RAKSHASA / SPIRIT HUNTER (spirit cage)
8: COLOSSOS / TITAN (chain lightning)

Ranged: Gremlin / Engineer / Wizard / Enchanter / Titan
Flyer: Djinn / Sultan
Caster: Mage / Illusionist / Mystic / Wizard / Enchanter
Female: Illusionist / Mystic
Large: Colossos / Titan / Juggernout

Illusionist & Mystic = Female wizards that practice illusion magics only.

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PSION (LABARATORIUM)
Race based creatures: Inventor - *Warper* - Changeling - Mind bender - Stalker

1: OOZE / CARNAGE (infest)
2: INVENTOR / MECHANIST (remote control)
3: WARPER / ABONIMATION (synchronize)
4: CHANGELING / MIMIC (shapeshift)
5: STALKER / SLAYER (prey)
6: MIND BENDER / MINDSHREDDER (amnesia aura)
7: BEHOLDER / OVERSEER (true sight)
8: MANTICORE / MANTIGON (creeping venom)

Ranged: Beholder / Overseer
Flyer: Beholder / Overseer / Stalker / Mantigon
Caster: Mind Bender / Mindshredder
Female: Stalker / Slayer
Large: Manticore / Mantigon / Stalker / Slayer

Psions = Creatures that look like big-brained humanoids without a mouth.
Mechanist = Psion with the lower body of a mechanical spider.
Carnage = Red ooze that feeds on blood to grow in size.
Warper & Abonimation = Psions that like to experiment with their own body, they resemble psions with carnivorous plant features.
Changeling & Mimic = These look like naked psions but they can turn into any creature they slay.
Mindbender & Mindshredder = Creatures that resemble psions with Mind flayer features.
Stalker & Slayer = Half mantis half psion, created from an experiment.

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DEMON (INFERNO)
Race based creatures: Larva - Imp - Magog - Succubus - Pit Fiend

1: LARVA / DEMONLING (implode)
2: IMP / FAMILIAR (mana leech)
3: STINGER / STINGER QUEEN (implant)
4: MAGOG / SALAMANDER (master of fire)
5: SUCCUBUS / TEMPTRESS (temptation)
6: NIGHTMARE / HAUNTMARE (haunting aura)
7: CERBERUS / CHIMERA (sacrifice)
8: PIT FIEND / BALROG (demonic portal)

Ranged: Magog / Salamander
Flyer: Imp / Familiar / Stinger / Stinger Queen / Succubus / Temptress
Caster: Pit Fiend / Balrog
Female: Stinger / Stinger Queen / Succubus / Temptress
Large: Pit Fiend / Balrog / Cerberus / Chimera

Larva = Human that is infected with the demon disease and that will soon hatch into a new demon.
Salamander = Magog with lowerbody from a black/red serpent.
Stinger & Stinger queen = Wasp demons.
Succubus & Temptress = Fallen angels with black angel wings.
Nightmare & Hauntmare = Centaur-like creatures, not the horses from previous homm games.
Chimera = Cerberus with puma heads instead of those of dogs.
Note = Only Magogs and Salamanders have flame-features, the other demons have little to do with fire. Nightmares and hauntmares have purple/black flames instead of red.

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UNDEAD (NECROPOLIS)
Race based creatures: All

1: SKELETON / SKELETON ARCHER (skeletal)
2: ZOMBIE / GHOUL (feed)
3: GHOST / SPECTER (symbol of greed)
4: VAMPIRE / NOSFERATU (energy drain)
5: MUMMY / PHARAOH (master of curses) or NECROMANCER / LICH (necromancy)
6: WRAITH / REAPER (soul slaves)
7: DEATH KNIGHT / REVENANT (strike of vengeance)
8: BONE DRAGON / NECRONAUT (wall of bones)

Ranged: Skeleton Archer / Pharaoh / Necromancer / Lich
Flyer: Nosferatu / Ghost / Spectre / Bone Dragon / Revenant
Caster: Mummy / Pharaoh / Necromancer / Lich
Female: Ghost / Spectre
Large: Bone Dragon / Necronaut

Ghoul = Beast-like zombie walking on all 4 limbs.
Spectre = Rich and handsome looking ghost.
Vampire = from homm3
Nosferatu = vampire from homm5
Necronaut = A large serpent made from all kinds of bones and a dragon-skull head.
Revenant = Death knight riding upon a undead-wyvern instead of a horse.

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NEUTRAL CREATURES:

NOMAD / SAND RAIDER (freedom of movement)
BASILISK / RUST LIZARD (age gaze)
WIND WALKER / SYLPH (air currents)
GARUDA / PHOENIX (rebirth)
AZURE DRAGON / SAPPHIRE DRAGON (winters wrath)


WAR MACHINES/AID
Ballista
Catapult
First Aid
Ammo Cart
Pack Mule
Zeppelin
Warship




So what you think? And what are your own thoughts?

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Postby winterfate » Feb 14 2007, 0:25

Welcome to the forums, Ashrah! ;)

Interesting.

You have a lot of cool ideas too! :D
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Postby Starbatron » Feb 14 2007, 3:31

I like alot of your ideas. I'll comment more fully on them when I get a chance (quite busy with essay grading), but I did want to comment on the Academy (I have a soft spot for it still...if it hadn't been ruined IMO in HoMMV, I'd still be playing it. The Rakshasah has to go. I want my traditional Academy style back, not this mid-east version that Ubival created. Okay, so they needed a theme, but I definitely do not like this one. Perhaps they could have created a desert oriented faction, perhaps the stronghold would have been better for that theme, given that it had traditionally been a castle with a similar climate (yes, rocky, but barren). Academy has always been snowy mountains...I want it back!! :ill: Sorry, I needed that vent. That aside, some interesting ideas. :)

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Postby Akul » Feb 14 2007, 8:15

Welcome Asrah :)
Noit many members create such original topics as theri first post. I hope you will be active on this forums.
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Postby okrane » Feb 14 2007, 11:22

Welcome to the forums...

don't mean to ruin your enthusiasm kid, but if you're not a super programmer or have a really good programming firm, and if you cannot buy the Heroes trademark from the actual devs, I kind of think these ideas will just be dust in the wind... sad but true...

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Postby Ashrah » Feb 14 2007, 11:36

Starbatron wrote:I like alot of your ideas. I'll comment more fully on them when I get a chance (quite busy with essay grading), but I did want to comment on the Academy (I have a soft spot for it still...if it hadn't been ruined IMO in HoMMV, I'd still be playing it. The Rakshasah has to go. I want my traditional Academy style back, not this mid-east version that Ubival created. Okay, so they needed a theme, but I definitely do not like this one. Perhaps they could have created a desert oriented faction, perhaps the stronghold would have been better for that theme, given that it had traditionally been a castle with a similar climate (yes, rocky, but barren). Academy has always been snowy mountains...I want it back!! :ill: Sorry, I needed that vent. That aside, some interesting ideas. :)



This academy isn't mid-east based... All creatures are very different than homm5, including the rakshasa. (while it still has light and 4 arms.)

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Postby okrane » Feb 14 2007, 11:44

I dont find the mid-east theme that bad... ok raksasas are a bit weird... but if you get used to them it is not something that hurts the game...

I think we kind of tend to be a little too conservative about the images we have for certain factions.

Personally I am more interested in gameplay than respecting some specifics a previous game has established

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Postby Starbatron » Feb 14 2007, 15:15

While I agree with you that gameplay is more important than loyalty to an idea of a faction, I do wonder why Academy was one of the largest changed factions in theme? Necro, very similar, Haven, very similar, Inferno, very similar, Dungeon (with the exception of more elven based units)a similar theme, Sylvan similar theme. Only the Academy of the factions there were in some previous game was so drastically changed (dwarves weren't a faction of their own, so that is almost completely new). The Academy has many similar units as before, but the them is awful...it was enough to drive me to become a necromancer. Perhaps it is a matter of taste, so each to his (or her) own. Me...I'll continue to grip about it until the next HoMM game comes out and I have a chance for a return of tradition. ;)

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Postby Akul » Feb 15 2007, 6:58

I made the discusion about gameplay in Campfire section.
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