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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 13 Dec 2006, 15:11

Darkstroem wrote:Yeah, just give the unit a name nobody can pronounce and let the enemies twist their tongues. That would be a powerful ability!
You mean like rakshasa? :devious:

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 13 Dec 2006, 17:10

Sea Monster -> Leviathan works just fine.
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Unread postby Mirez » 13 Dec 2006, 21:37

the problem is, it just looks stupid for an octopussy to walk/crawl (whatever) to the opponent and mist dragon sounds cool
treants are dendrosexual 0_o

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Unread postby raju » 13 Dec 2006, 22:27

Something like a Rakshasa. Actually what I am proposing is a sort of crossbreed between a Hydra and a Rakshasa. And for the moment I will go with ThunderTitan on Sea Monster - Leviathon; unless someone can come up with better names.

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 13 Dec 2006, 22:32

haloswift wrote:the problem is, it just looks stupid for an octopussy to walk/crawl (whatever) to the opponent
Leviathan wasn't a Kraken... duh. It could easily move like a snake... Actualy Sea Serpent -> Leviathan sounds even better.
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Unread postby Humakt » 13 Dec 2006, 22:55

Combination of Sea and Swamp could perhaps be ideal for "Naga" town. I think there could be interesting twist to the game that adds the element of sea to the game more profoundly. "Naga" town creatures could have somehow element of sea carried with them so we could have battles with "fish" on solid ground. And they could be more effective in general on sea than in solid ground. Of course it would include magic spells or skills that would negate that penalty and even enchance the creatures. Like say hero casts Flood which enables your creatures to fight without penalty while opponent troops' speed is greatly reduced. Here's the town:

Aquarium
Crab/Killer Crab (strong stats for level 1 except low speed and initiative)
Merfolk Warrior/Mermaid (Warrior is archer while mermaid is spellcaster)
Siren/Sirene (ranged attack)
Medusa/Gorgon (ranged attack)
Giant Octopus/Sea Monster (strong creatures for their level but rather slow, especially on dry land)
Naga/Naga Queen (tank units)
Deep-Sea Kraken/Leviathan (gigantic melee units, rather slow though)


Abilities:
Crab/Killer Crab
-Sea Creature (half the movement on dry land, defence and offence -20%)
-Amphibious (penalty of being sea creature is halved on dry land)
Upgrade
-Crippling attack (decreases enemy stats when succesful)
Merfolk Warrior/Mermaid
-Sea Creature
-Ranged (shoots arrows)
-No melee penalty
Upgrade
-Loses no melee penalty (ranged attack frost bolts)
-Spellcaster (Minor Flood: removes Sea Creature penalty of target creature or slows down enemy creature, Mermaid's Luck: Increases target creatures luck)
Siren/Sirene
-Sea Creature
-Ranged Attack (shoots arrows)
Upgrade:
-Siren Song (special ability, once per battle, gain control of target creature with less total hitpoints than total hitpoints of sirenes. duration two or three full rounds).
Medusa/Gorgon (Gorgon, as mythology goes, is medusa; here it just happens to be upgrade).
- Ranged Attack (attack with gaze)
- Unlimited Shots
- No Melee penalty (attack with gaze on melee as well)
- Stonegaze (change to turn enemy unit to stone for three rounds they can't take no action but their defense is increased 50% as long as in stoneform, dispelled when attacked upon)
Ugrade
- Loses Stonegaze
- Deathgaze (same as stonegaze except there is chance to kill some of the stoned creatures depending on the amount of Gorgons and the level of opposing stack
Giant Octopus/Sea Monster (Sea monster is octopus-like creature as well)
- Sea Creature
- Strangle (same as Treants but also decreases the attack of the creature strangled)
Upgrade
-Swallow (this creature is big enough to swallow enemies whole (see H4 Sea Monster).
Naga/Naga Queen
- No Retalition
Upgrade
- Three"headed"attack (same as Cerberi, couldn't think of better name atm)
Deep-Sea Kraken/Leviathan
-Sea Creature
-Swallow
Upgrade
- Loses Sea Creature penalty (the creature has its own water with it) :P
-Attack casts minor flood on enemy.

The faction could propably be very might-like. I think they could use just Water Spells and have access to second level mage guild only. The heroes should reflect this. And the faction should have lots of useful skills around the whole water theme. And preference to Offence and Defence when giving skills).

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 13 Dec 2006, 23:02

Deep-Sea Kraken
The Deep-Sea part is kinda pointless imo.
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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 14 Dec 2006, 02:38

Humakt wrote: Crab/Killer Crab
Omfg!Crab people!!
Humakt wrote: Siren/Sirene
Werent these actually half birds?
Humakt wrote: - Three"headed"attack (same as Cerberi, couldn't think of better name atm)
A three arme attack?A three sword attack?

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Unread postby raju » 14 Dec 2006, 05:36

Some very good (and suitable) creature abilities have been put forward. And if people can only come up with creatures that everyone accepts, then probably we can develop a naga town.

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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 14 Dec 2006, 05:40

And then we can all be collectivelly disappointed when the actuall naga town comes :devious:

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Unread postby Humakt » 14 Dec 2006, 10:00

DaemianLucifer wrote:
Humakt wrote: Siren/Sirene
Werent these actually half birds?
Propably, you can then take out Sea Creature ability and give Flying to them.
And then we can all be collectivelly disappointed when the actuall naga town comes
Their lineup might be:
Naga Peasant/Naga Conscript
Naga Javelineer/Naga Skirmisher
Naga Brawler/Naga Berserker
Naga Centaur/Centaur Naga
Naga Wizard/Naga Sorcerer
Naga Tank/Naga Queen
Sea Dragon/Mist Dragon

There.

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Unread postby admira99 » 14 Dec 2006, 11:00

Their lineup might be:
Naga Peasant/Naga Conscript
Naga Javelineer/Naga Skirmisher
Naga Brawler/Naga Berserker
Naga Centaur/Centaur Naga
Naga Wizard/Naga Sorcerer
Naga Tank/Naga Queen
Sea Dragon/Mist Dragon
Nice ones :D I don't know why, but I have the same feeling. :devil:

er... I am not good at thinking up a good line-up, let's see:
lvl 1: Sea Dweller/Merman
lvl 2: Toad/Leaper
lvl 3: Pirates/Cannoner
lvl 4: Gorgon/Medusa
lvl 5: Giant Squid/Kraken
lvl 6: Naga/Naga Queen (the ones ressembles H3 naga version)
lvl 7: Sea Monster/Leviathan

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 14 Dec 2006, 15:32

C'mon ppl, didn't I already sugested Pirate > Buccaneer and SEa Serpent > Leviathan?


And the Sirens do fit a sea town... remeber the Odyssey.
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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 14 Dec 2006, 16:42

Pirates dont really fit a town full of serpants.Unless you make them lizardmen,or crab people.But dont expect so many diverse creatures.If the next town is naga,it will probably have at least three of them(a caster,a melee and another one,probably melee too),maybe a medusa,maybe a lizard,one more unit,and a dragon,of course.

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 14 Dec 2006, 17:16

DaemianLucifer wrote:Pirates dont really fit a town full of serpants.
Why?! They both worship the sea and teh pirates would probably need to be on good terms with a ocean kingdom to ply their trade. I'd say they'd make a good lvl1.
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Unread postby DaemianLucifer » 14 Dec 2006, 17:22

ThunderTitan wrote: Why?! They both worship the sea and teh pirates would probably need to be on good terms with a ocean kingdom to ply their trade. I'd say they'd make a good lvl1.
Worship? :| A strange word.Do we worship air because we live in it?And if pirates worship anything,its probably gold (or rum :devil: ).And why would they have to be on good terms with the ocean kingdom when they could just wage war on them?

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Unread postby Mirez » 14 Dec 2006, 17:44

I really really reallu don't see a centaur in a reptile town :-\
treants are dendrosexual 0_o

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Unread postby ThunderTitan » 14 Dec 2006, 19:12

DaemianLucifer wrote: Worship? :| A strange word.Do we worship air because we live in it?And if pirates worship anything,its probably gold (or rum :devil: ).And why would they have to be on good terms with the ocean kingdom when they could just wage war on them?
Pirate worship is Davy Jones, the Kraken and Neptune... even in RL all sailors feared the sea, even gave it it's due. Now imagine a world where the Kraken and other sea monsters were comanded by nagas. Not to mention the advantages of being friends with them.
And do tell me when did pirates ever waged war on someone? But there are examples of pirates working for a nation (corsairs).
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Unread postby Darkstroem » 14 Dec 2006, 20:45

If there is a pirate town, I want to have Jack Sparrow as a hero! :P

Well, never mind. I think it's a good idea to elaborate the seafaring aspect of the game in the next expansion. I already thaought of this, too. A water-based Naga town would be the perfect opportunity.

Anyway, I don't think you should mix swamp creatures with sea creatures. Nagas should be a swamp faction, but they can still have a bonus on water. I think merfolk and sea monster/kraken/leviathan are perfect neutrals.

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Unread postby innokenti » 14 Dec 2006, 21:07

Someone mentioned Amazons earlier and also Pirates. I think it would be very good to have perhaps one or two human creatures in a Naga town (with Naga heroes). There is no reason why they cannot get on with the Nagas and co, and it would add interesting flavour.

A Naga-controlled confederation which happens to include a large-ish portion of humans who have grown up in harmony (mostly) with them and are more than happy to serve in their armies etc.

And have it a Swamp/Water town. There is no reason why the two can't be adjacent.


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