Positive and Patient
I agree HV is enjoyable and a nice game, but it is in quite a few aspects worse than HIII. It is Ok because it is more interesting in other aspects.
But:
My problem with HV is quality control, which, well, sucks. The first patch reverted half of texts in polish version of the game back to english. The second one not only didn't solve it - it broke other things instead. It took a lot of work of polish HV community to produce (unofficial) 'patch for a patch'.
But:
My problem with HV is quality control, which, well, sucks. The first patch reverted half of texts in polish version of the game back to english. The second one not only didn't solve it - it broke other things instead. It took a lot of work of polish HV community to produce (unofficial) 'patch for a patch'.
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Well, I have stated why I think it is a good game. Because I have had a lot of fun playing it. To me the most important thing in a game is the fun factor.DaemianLucifer wrote:Yes,its not like you go anywhere during the dayThunderTitan wrote: As if i go around thinking about how bad H5 is all day.
The only difference I saw between those that like and those that dislike the game is that we say why we dislike it(there are few exceptions though)
Yes, it needs more spells, artifacts, and some rebalancing but it is a fun game to play.
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So basicaly you want the same things we do (mostly), but you're enjoying the game anyway. Damn skippy.Grumpy Old Wizard wrote: Yes, it needs more spells, artifacts, and some rebalancing but it is a fun game to play.
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Fine. I like Heroes V because the adventure map spells aren't overpowered like in Heroes II and III. I like it because you can upgrade units unlike in Heroes IV.DaemianLucifer wrote:Yes,its not like you go anywhere during the dayThunderTitan wrote: As if i go around thinking about how bad H5 is all day.
The only difference I saw between those that like and those that dislike the game is that we say why we dislike it(there are few exceptions though)
I also like how there are more skills to choose from, secondary and tertiary ones.
We'll see what the expansion brings, and we'll all be much happier when they patch in the map editor in patch 1.3.
geez, now if that isn't a broad statement!!! wow, you must be clairvoyant as well, nice ....Only difference seems to be that we positive dudes and gals probably go around in our everyday life a LOT happier than you grumpy old wizards and warriors. Wouldn´t trade places with you for a million bucks.
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See, he's being optimistic. Thinks he's got it better than others. (Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy)stefan.urlus wrote:geez, now if that isn't a broad statement!!! wow, you must be clairvoyant as well, nice ....Only difference seems to be that we positive dudes and gals probably go around in our everyday life a LOT happier than you grumpy old wizards and warriors. Wouldn´t trade places with you for a million bucks.
Before you criticize someone, first walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you'll be a mile away. And you'll have their shoes.
he can be as optimistic as he likes, but he may be setting himself up for a fall if some realism doesn't kick in , and as for a self fulfilling prophecy ... well only if he has, in fact, got it better than others, otherwise it's simply delusionCaradoc wrote:See, he's being optimistic. Thinks he's got it better than others. (Sort of a self fulfilling prophecy)stefan.urlus wrote:geez, now if that isn't a broad statement!!! wow, you must be clairvoyant as well, nice ....Only difference seems to be that we positive dudes and gals probably go around in our everyday life a LOT happier than you grumpy old wizards and warriors. Wouldn´t trade places with you for a million bucks.
Human madness is the howl of a child with a shattered heart.
But that's how self-fulfilling prophecies work. Optimists experience less stress and that makes them happier, and thus reinforces their optimism. 'Reality' is the same for him and you. He just enjoys it more.stefan.urlus wrote: he can be as optimistic as he likes, but he may be setting himself up for a fall if some realism doesn't kick in , and as for a self fulfilling prophecy ... well only if he has, in fact, got it better than others, otherwise it's simply delusion
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yes, reality is the same for everybody.
it's how this person interprets reality that becomes unsupportable by evidence.
ever hear the term "rose colored glasses"?
it's not that the color of the sky changes, it's that there is willful manipulation of what the actual color is so it is more pleasing.
that does not make the sky "rose colored".
it's how this person interprets reality that becomes unsupportable by evidence.
ever hear the term "rose colored glasses"?
it's not that the color of the sky changes, it's that there is willful manipulation of what the actual color is so it is more pleasing.
that does not make the sky "rose colored".
Pesimist always see the glass half empty, regardless how good they got it, the always have something to complain about. They are sure that that half glass is going to be empty before too long, regardless what happens. Optimist always see the glass half full, regardless how bad they have it, and they tend to think some outside force other then themselves are going to fill that cup, regardless what happens. I prefer to see the glass half full, and that it might get full with a little hard work from myself .
I have many game related issues with HoMM V, and do feel that they dropped the ball on this one. That doesn't mean they can not recover; however, though a lot seem to have dismissed this possibility entirely. At the risk of getting bombarded here *dons helmet, jumps in a bomb shelter and prepairs for the fallout) what I dont get is this.
If you dislike the game so much, and just can not stand it, why continue to come to a HoMM site and spend endless hours saying such? It must have ignited some 'passion' or after the first few negative posts you would have went and started playing another game you liked much more. Or that would be what I would do at least if I just could not stand the game at all. You are not going to convince the ones who enjoyed it dispite it's flaws to dislike it, and they are not going to convince you to like it. To me it is like . Anyhow I am hunkered down, and ready for the roasting that will commence after this post. Let the flames fly.
I have many game related issues with HoMM V, and do feel that they dropped the ball on this one. That doesn't mean they can not recover; however, though a lot seem to have dismissed this possibility entirely. At the risk of getting bombarded here *dons helmet, jumps in a bomb shelter and prepairs for the fallout) what I dont get is this.
If you dislike the game so much, and just can not stand it, why continue to come to a HoMM site and spend endless hours saying such? It must have ignited some 'passion' or after the first few negative posts you would have went and started playing another game you liked much more. Or that would be what I would do at least if I just could not stand the game at all. You are not going to convince the ones who enjoyed it dispite it's flaws to dislike it, and they are not going to convince you to like it. To me it is like . Anyhow I am hunkered down, and ready for the roasting that will commence after this post. Let the flames fly.
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What I dont get is that you say that the glass can be filled with some effort from you,yet you are confident that the game will be improved without you lifting a finger. If none of the fans wrote a single letter about the return of the caravans,do you think this feature would be brought back?If us that think that the game turned out bad were simply to leave,then the devs would see just the good side,and think that they made a perfect game,and thered be no improvements.Its voicing your dissatisfaction that makes the devs to make improvements.Mytical302 wrote:Pesimist always see the glass half empty, regardless how good they got it, the always have something to complain about. They are sure that that half glass is going to be empty before too long, regardless what happens. Optimist always see the glass half full, regardless how bad they have it, and they tend to think some outside force other then themselves are going to fill that cup, regardless what happens. I prefer to see the glass half full, and that it might get full with a little hard work from myself .
I have many game related issues with HoMM V, and do feel that they dropped the ball on this one. That doesn't mean they can not recover; however, though a lot seem to have dismissed this possibility entirely. At the risk of getting bombarded here *dons helmet, jumps in a bomb shelter and prepairs for the fallout) what I dont get is this.
If you dislike the game so much, and just can not stand it, why continue to come to a HoMM site and spend endless hours saying such? It must have ignited some 'passion' or after the first few negative posts you would have went and started playing another game you liked much more. Or that would be what I would do at least if I just could not stand the game at all. You are not going to convince the ones who enjoyed it dispite it's flaws to dislike it, and they are not going to convince you to like it. To me it is like . Anyhow I am hunkered down, and ready for the roasting that will commence after this post. Let the flames fly.
Not quite DL. I don't think the game will be made better magically. It is peoples voice that makes the difference. If you think something should change, I see nothing wrong wih letting the Devs know about it. I just don't understand the logic of going to a fan based (not dev based and as of yet we don't know devs even bother looking here) and rehashing it over and over. Again don't confuse this with me saying, all is going to come up rainbows and lollipops, they may yet again drop the ball. Only time will tell.
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Very interesting points here for a forum novice like me. I confess I started the thread from the (naieve?) thought that we were just wingeing to each other.
Now that I think about it, if Devs DO read these posts then I'll join in the moaning, albeit with some contructive questioning (like some posts I already have regarding AI descision making).
DL - do we have any evidence that the devs read and act on this and one or two other sites/ forums? Or do we just like to think so?
Um, not having a pop here, I really don't know, and would like to. It could put a whole new perspective on this.
What I will say though is that nobody likes being given a problem, (as in moans), a solution is much preferable, or at least a suggestion.
Very interesting points here for a forum novice like me. I confess I started the thread from the (naieve?) thought that we were just wingeing to each other.
Now that I think about it, if Devs DO read these posts then I'll join in the moaning, albeit with some contructive questioning (like some posts I already have regarding AI descision making).
DL - do we have any evidence that the devs read and act on this and one or two other sites/ forums? Or do we just like to think so?
Um, not having a pop here, I really don't know, and would like to. It could put a whole new perspective on this.
What I will say though is that nobody likes being given a problem, (as in moans), a solution is much preferable, or at least a suggestion.
We will either find a way, or we will make one. Emperor Hannibal.
I can be as stubborn as anybody, and have been known to pound my head against the perverbial wall from time to time myself. You do make a good point DL. I think there maybe some confusion, and no doubt on my part. I never meant to imply that people should not voice there opinons. My post is in regards to those, after being disagreed with, just keep lambasting the same thing over and over and over. In that regard this will be my last post on this matter, so I dont fall into that same trap (though maybe a litte late). So that being said, I appologize if I have come accross as a "shut up and take your medicine" type person. My posts try to be positive, and the last few have not.
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FC was known to come here from time to time(you can even see a post started by him stickified up there).But even if he doesnt anymore,emails are always better then forums.And,like I said,my constant posting here is to spread the word to fans to voice their oppinions,not just to tell the devs whats wrong and how to fix it.Bonzer wrote: DL - do we have any evidence that the devs read and act on this and one or two other sites/ forums? Or do we just like to think so?
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Lol we can still play the game since it's too late to return it. But people that get frustrated like this will either forget homm5 or just get the expansion hacked. I mean why not if they are going to release another beta version with missing features then simply move them to the next expansion(simultaneous turns which was the BIGGEST reason I bought this game so I could actually play homm multi for the very first time).Bonzer wrote:So I guess we won't be seeing you around then (umm, VERY much tongue in cheek DL).DaemianLucifer wrote: No,nival doesnt deserve us to go easy on them.In fact they deserve even harsher behaviour such as boycoting the game and demanding money back.Especially after the patch 1.2.
Kalah Wrote:Couldn't agree more. Many of the home produced maps for H3 were outstanding, though (me being me), I had no complaints about those supplied with game either. H5, like H3 will have a year max playtime, unless supported by good fan maps,then it will last much longer.I too remain optimistic that this will be the case for Heroes 5 also; it all depends on whether the Editor is any good. The entire future of H5 hinges on this.
I would be interested to hear from Nival explaining how the AI makes it's strategy / tactical decisions. We'll see.
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