Should Flee / Surrender be rebalanced?

[Dublex]

Does anyone think that the way flee / surrender works should be rebalanced? As although the aspect of Fleeing makes sense, I think everyone should have a chance to surrender, even without the diplomacy skill and even to neutral units.

You could add risks so that non-diplomacy heroes could end up losing the hero the same way as if you'd lost the battle (maybe taken prisoner if they were a "good" side or dealt with another way if they were a "bad" side ) or other failure like penalties.

I think it would be nice in normal combat to still have a choice and even a risk to take, rather than the option just shaded out in some battles (obviously without the shackles in effect) and just having to rely on straight Flee.

[Gaidal Cain]

I think flee needs to work more like in H4, with regards to loss. That is, even if you flee, you won't have lost the map.

[Continuity]

That depends on the map's "loss" condition. If the condition is "don't lose hero", then you can't flee. If the mapmaker wants the hero not to lose when the hero dies, just don't set that loss condition.

[Gaidal Cain]

Well, I think losing my hero isn't the same as it fleeing. In most cases, a "lose hero" loss condition is in fact unnecessary- you either don't have a tavern to rehire it, or is so set back without him you'd lose anyway,

[HenL]

o_O It's lose and losing...

Edit = hax

[Gaidal Cain]

I don't see what youo're talking about

[Dublex]

The point is should everyone have access to the surrender option in every situation, but with the condition that the outcome could be worse than fleeing?

[Continuity]

Well, I think losing my hero isn't the same as it fleeing. In most cases, a "lose hero" loss condition is in fact unnecessary- you either don't have a tavern to rehire it, or is so set back without him you'd lose anyway,

While I see your point, if the loss condition is "lose hero" and you can flee to avoid that, it would be very rare for you to actually lose the map since you can always flee unless you're trapped in a castle or the enemy has a Shackles of War-like artifact. Or he kills you before you get a chance to move.