A goodbye to HOMM! Heroes VI has ended my love for this game

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Heroes VI is a disappointment

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A goodbye to HOMM! Heroes VI has ended my love for this game

Unread postby cjlee » 14 Sep 2011, 08:29

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I started gaming as a teenager in the 1990s. I played a good many games before settling on a few select games in the RTS and Turn-based Strategy genres. I was a big fan of Command and Conquer, its alternative history Red Alert, as well as (of course) Heroes of Might and Magic.

Eventually I found that I loved HOMM most of all. Until a few months ago, I was still playing maps or scenarios in Heroes II, III and IV! (And I also played a few Heroes V games.)

But I am getting older. I also find that my standards are rising...

Like my contemporaries, I gradually found myself leaving the gaming world. It just didn’t stimulate me anymore. My favorite games started as fresh, original offerings to the gaming world. Over time they grew more corporatized. They changed from fun offerings from relatively small developer teams, to slick packages managed by big companies.

Graphics standards kept rising in tandem with technology, but storytelling standards fell. More emphasis was placed on the drawing and 3D renditions, and less on making characters, units, races and factions come to life.

The C&C story came to an end after nearly a hundred years of game time. The ending was unsatisfactory and seemed tired. Red Alert 3 was slick and entertaining, but once the campaigns were over, nobody I knew cared to play it multiplayer.

Thanks to Heroes VI, I now feel the same about Heroes of Might and Magic.

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HOMM VI has the best graphics, of course. The units are well drawn, professionally drawn. The graphics are up to the standards of modern games. But it also feels dead, sterile. It doesn’t hook me. Generic fantasy in line with what is offered elsewhere on the market. The town window in particular comes across as something you could see in Blizzard’s World of Warcraft.

HOMM VI is different from past versions. But I don’t feel that it’s creative. I don’t feel that it is compelling and replayable. The heroes seem to be fundamentally variations of each other. The factions don’t have character or identity. I am having difficulty telling apart members of the undead, inferno and stronghold factions especially. (Why are they all the same color? Why are all small units the same height and all big units the same size? Why is it that after so many distinctive vampire-lich teams since Heroes II, we wind up with vampires that look like liches?)

I wrote a lengthy rant a few days ago.

Of course I have more complaints about the gameplay and stuff like that, but I feel they should be left out because Unit X can always be made cheaper, Spell Y can always be nerfed, etc. These are things that are being addressed on the official beta forum even as I speak. I’m talking about the larger ways by which this game operates.

For one, upper tier units are no longer so important. They no longer have character. In past heroes games, you could start out as a wizard accompanied by his titan friend or a warlock with his pet dragon. Or else you could start out a weak Halfling working his way up to become a dragon slayer. Because there were powerful units and weak units, we had challenge, excitement, storyline. Stories are most exciting if there’s a powerful enemy to defeat, or if some evil big dragon wants to find the right food to eat (do you remember the map Lunch in Heroes IV?). Heroes of Might and Magic is about getting thrills from overcoming adversity, finding ways to defeat the strong with the weak, finding ways around problems, etc. You are kept in the game because the game offers ways to be interesting.

In Heroes VI, upper tier means nothing. Units have become homogenized. You just amass the numbers, and your core owns elite/ champion units with ease. Angel? Big deal. Convert another dwelling and you get enough ghouls to take it down. Pit Lord? Sounds scary, until I discovered my crossbowmen could kill it in melee combat.

Some people think lower level units shouldn’t be so weak vs upper level ones. EG you need hundreds of weak little gnolls (Heroes III) vs a single Azure dragon. But units are not equal, whether in fantasy or real life. 1000 riflemen can’t kill a stealth bomber, but a stealth bomber can definitely kill 1000 riflemen. 1000 lemmings pose no threat to an elephant...

Traditionally, the way small units were equalized to big ones was by giving them special powers or character that could potentially make them useful even in late game. EG Halflings are giant killers, Heroes V upgraded peasants had bash, Heroes V skeletons can be amassed by necromancy and turned into dangerous ranged warriors, Heroes IV imps sucked mana and deprived angels/ phoenixes of their resurrection specials, etc. But small does not equal big, just like a 4 foot pygmy from Congo can never equal an NBA basketball player on the basketball court. (For the pygmy to beat the NBA pro, the mapmaker needs to devise a scenario involving the pygmy’s home forest or something that takes advantage of the pygmy’s tracking skills.)

You can assign special powers to some units so that they can counter one another. That’s why Heroes III’s Fortress faction was so interesting - their units had great specials making Mighty Gorgon one of the most popular anti-dragon units. But you should never, never flatten the upgrade tree and homogenize the units. Heroes IV infuriated many fans by having only 4 tiers, and now with 3 tiers we’re now worse off than Heroes IV!

Weak units need to play as a team. Dragons are often loners because they can survive with minimal support or aid. That’s how it has always been. Anyone playing Heroes III will have noticed this: if you kept your army intact throughout the game and didn’t have an unusually large number of flagged dwellings which could distort population growth, if you bought all the units available your lineup actually deals about the same damage. The main difference is that Archdevils can move fast and far and get away with no damage, while imps get killed off easily.

I find it ridiculous that in Heroes VI, upper tier units are so weak and numerous. Why should they be weak and useless? What’s the purpose of being a ‘champion’ and going upper tier? Of course big units should be powerful, and they should be hard to come by. Their dwellings should not be easy to build. Why is it that some core buildings cost $3000 to make and some champion buildings cost $5000?

Did you know that statistically, humans are outnumbered about 10 million to 1 by ants? Do you fear ants? Do you think you could be killed by 30 starving rats? Units are not equal, that’s part of life! In the fantasy world, Halflings and gremlins are much, much weaker and afraid of dragons which can squash them as easily as humans squash ants. You need a strong hero with good artifacts to lead them to kill dragons! It is natural for a Heroes V Cyclops to be intimidating to goblins and be able to eat them with ease. Why should you be able to kill a champion unit with just a week’s production of core units?

In my first Angel vs Ravenous Ghoul battle, I lost an angel to ‘lots of’ ghouls. I was shocked to discover that Ravenous Ghouls have more initiative and movement than unupgraded Haven units.

Do Ubihole employees know anything of popular culture? Do they know that in the landmark Zombie series ‘Night of the Living Dead’ by George Romero, ghouls do not move fast? Does Ubihole know that the undead in all popular culture is slow moving and has low initiative, except for vampires and ghosts?

Necromancers in ALL fantasy literature raise dead. That’s what a Necromancer is! Where’s the amass-the-undead-slave-army strategy in Heroes VI? It has been homogenized so that all factions have access to the same strategies. In that case, why bother to play a particular faction anymore? Unless black’s your color?

What’s the point of creating fast, strong ghouls? Is that creativity? How does that tie in with an ‘undead’ or ‘necromantic’ way of playing? Since it doesn’t tie in, Ubihole has removed amassing skeletons from the necromancer faction. Does it really insert a point of interest? If you like parodying popular culture so much, why not take Heroes III’s battle dwarves and give them 500hp and blazing speed, and take the phoenix and turn them into 1hp, slow speed chickens. You can then just reproduce a modern version of Heroes III (parodied). Is that also creativity?

There are so many examples by which I feel Ubihole doesn’t really care about the game. The developers are making this game to make money, rather than because they want to create a game they like to play and which they know many people like to play. They come across as corporate executives who don’t care about popular culture, fantasy genres, or gaming in general. Hence I keep saying there is a professional, yet impersonal, feel to this game. I feel this even more strongly than from Heroes V where Nival never even playtested the game. I keep feeling that the game developers were not salivating over the idea of playtesting this game themselves - they just offered the beta key to some people and sat back in their chairs, impersonally surveying the game reports.

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In HOMM, spells have traditionally been very important. If you wanted to be a pure might hero, you ran the risk of being able to hit very hard but not be able to counter magic.

These are part of the risks you take when you go for an unbalanced strategy. Heroes II barbarians had incredible attack skill and very low every-other-stat. Wizards are big on knowledge and spell versatility, but vulnerable in all other ways. All these add to the choices you make throughout a game.

Do you want a Wizard hero and build up his spells? Do you want to play defensively as a knight? Are you the slow, methodical type who wants to play Necromancer and spend months building an invincible army? All these are choices tied to playing style, faction strengths, etc. You can’t just homogenize them and give everybody the same choices and abilities.

Consider the case of Town Portal:
In Heroes II, only heroes with the right powers could move really fast. That meant you had to have expert wisdom to get dimension door, for instance. The way the game worked was such that Barbarians would find it very hard to use such magic. Of course! Why should Barbarians be able to TP everywhere with a dangerous attacking army? Why should they use magic as easily as a Wizard who has worked hard to build his library?

Heroes III gave heroes several ways to move quickly. They could use Inferno’s Castle Gate, they could use the Tome of Earth Magic and enchanted plains to cast, or they could go the standard route, get expert earth magic and town portal in a guild. In any case, you had to sacrifice quite a bit and make quite a bit of effort. Not all heroes were permitted to make the same moves.

In Heroes V, they made town portal more ‘democratically available’ to all races and classes of heroes. But at least you had to have level 20 heroes and level 5 mage guilds/ tons of resources for your shaman to purchase the right amulet for a Barbarian hero.

Now? You don’t need to work for town portal. You just need to have money (and a bit of mana), and all your heroes can TP anywhere on the map. All factions are homogenized now. You don’t need to be part of a faction where you can learn earth magic or at least build up your wisdom. You don’t need to make your hero powerful before he can learn town portal. Everybody can town portal!

People complained about Inferno’s castle gate in Heroes III. But at least it tied in with the mobility of devils - devils TP everywhere. Makes sense. Now you have Barbarians and Necromancers (traditionally the two slower factions) doing the same with ease. No wonder they say on the forums that Stronghold is the 2nd most powerful faction and Necromancers the most powerful faction.

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In HOMM, heroes were the most important. But what has Ubihole done? It has destroyed the Hero-leveling aspect of this game!

For one, the levels are no longer so significant. It takes forever to increase your hero by 1 level, and there are only 30 levels. You don’t get a strong sense of career progression, and you don’t see your hero change significantly either.

If you got Expert Air Magic by level 7 or so in Heroes III, it made a difference! If you got to Grandmaster in Something in Heroes IV, you were really feared! Gamers like me really wanted to work hard to get the hero up!

But now? Heroes are not so important. There are few truly dangerous spells like Blind or Forgetfulness or Berserk. Spells or abilities just increase a certain damage type by x% or decrease morale by y%. They have cooldowns anyway. Nobody can ever get powerful enough to decimate entire armies through chain lightning. What is the role of the hero?

A level cap of 30 really spits in the face of Heroes I to V! In any multiplayer game, you may be lucky to hit 15. So your heroes aren’t so powerful, they don’t have such game-changing spells and skills; you don’t feel so attached to them. At most, you can retrain him.

Even worse, heroes are now so easily revived you don’t feel worried about losing them!
In the past, if your hero lost a battle he was lost forever. I think Heroes IV gave gamers a second chance, by having the hero ‘in prison’ instead awaiting rescue. Now, any hero can be killed in battle and be repurchased for a mere $1000 (without units) at the castle of your choice. This is very ill-considered. It makes heroes so plain-vanilla and replaceable that you no longer value them.

Even fleeing has been cheapened. Now you lose only 25% of your army on fleeing. Or if you had brought a single fast moving unit like Kappa along, cast a nasty spell, then fled, it’s a cheap way to town portal and exactly what people were complaining about in Heroes IV. Ubihole has learned nothing!

To cap things off, they even made lots of heroes indiscriminately available in the Hall of Heroes. Granted, the old system of choosing between 2 heroes in the tavern was a bit too stingy. But I’m rebelling at the notion that an ‘evil’ town can easily get high level ‘good’ heroes. Heroes III and IV had more common sense - you got a hero from your town and another random hero to choose from; or else you couldn’t hire a hero from an opposing faction and had to go to a neutral tavern. Heroes V was right in making subsequent heroes more expensive so that you didn’t try to create huge starting armies by hiring many heroes.

Do you think it makes sense to have an entire army of ‘good’ heroes hanging out in my Necromancer’s Hall of Heroes? Why should I, an evil necromancer, be able to build a big army of high level good heroes in late game (with lots of corresponding castle core units) just because I’m rich enough? These guys aren’t heroes, they are mercenaries!

Finally: leveling your team of heroes no longer matters! You used to have to get lots of heroes on logistics so that they could keep up with your main hero. You had to work hard fighting neutrals so that your other heroes could also have expert earth magic (Heroes III) or level 20 (Heroes V). You had to make your hero team strong because your main hero may be far away when enemies come to attack your castle. Now? Just level one guy up and send a few level one heroes around without creatures to pick things up. As the game progresses, the hero level available for hire increases based on your top hero’s level. In late game, plunk down $10k or more to get a high level hero.

Hero Inflation is ridiculous! I fought so hard to get my main hero leveled up, to discover that Ubihole was giving secondary heroes ¾ experience at the Hall of Heroes. If hero inflation works, why not ask Blizzard to automatically level up Battle.net heroes too?

Life is about choices. Gaming is about choices. Granted, we all didn’t like being locked into a certain skill set in Heroes I-IV. The memory mentor was a step up in Heroes V. But now we can respecialize and retrain our heroes completely and give them the skills of entirely different people. Isn’t that going too far? Like our heroes were cyborgs that could be reprogrammed at will?

Even Blizzard, in World of Warcraft, allows you to have several heroes but you have to level them up yourself. Experience counts! I’m not talking about the +10500xp type that you can pick up from a box instead of 2000 gold in Heroes VI. I’m talking about you, the gamer, gaining from experience when you fight enemy units. It is only by traveling with a hero and working with him through many battles that you can see his strengths and weaknesses!

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What happened to hero chains and caravans and logistical planning? Granted, all of them were imperfect. Caravans often got stuck in Heroes V or arrived at occupied towns in Heroes IV. But now? You don’t need the planning aspect of Heroes anymore. You can just hire your entire empire’s population at any castle or fort. You can just convert any town and concentrate your entire empire’s production on one town at the frontline.

The diversity of resources has been simplified, and controlling resources simplified even further by granting you all resources within an area you control. This is ridiculous. It may make fighting easier, but it removes a lot of planning and background work that secondary heroes must do when the main hero is away campaigning. This is called dumbing down. Yes, little kids will like to play that way. No doubt Ubihole is aiming at the under-12 crowd. But many of the more mature aspects to gameplay have been removed. No more planning and resource management needed! Just hire and fire away!

As a teenager, I used to think it was a chore to flag mines and keep them flagged. But I understood it was part of the game. You must locate, secure, manage resources and keep them under your control in order to have a strong army. Every real life country or faction has to do the same, let alone fantasy ones. You must manage supply lines and account for a diverse population from different castle types, so you need undead converter, freelancer’s guild, leadership skills or you need different heroes to control armies of different factions.

Heroes VI has made resource and population management a non-question. Defensive planning is also a non-issue now, since your main hero can easily hire anywhere and TP between the frontline and any town he owns. Sure, that pleases the hire-and-fire crowd who want instant gratification without resource management and defensive chores. But it greatly reduces the overall quality and depth of this game.

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When you are genuinely interested in something, you will be attentive to all aspects. You will pay attention to potential weaknesses and flaws and try to fix them in advance. Ubihole hasn’t done that, and their indifference shows.

One thing I really liked about Heroes IV was its use of mixed neutral armies. These greatly added to the challenge of fighting neutrals and prevented cheapskate experience-farming. If you have played Heroes IV before, I’m sure you remember how tough it was to fight genies guarded by nagas (they loved targeting your hero with ice bolts); or cyclopses guarded by ogre magi. Even low level units, like Elven Archers, were really lethal when snow tigers were guarding them. Even in late game you couldn’t just autocombat past them without taking losses.

Now in this game we get the standard one-unit-type of neutral army. Sure, some armies are dangerous. Maniacs and Ghouls really can do severe damage to a junior hero and 1-3 week old army. But Vestals? In two of my demo games, they came up at the end as ‘favorite target’. Yes, Vestals are my favorite creeping target because they’re easiest to kill. These poor girls just stand and heal while my ranged fire away.

You see, Ubihole decided to make a big change from previous Heroes versions by giving several factions their own healers. But they didn’t think how the healers would fare as a neutral target. And they didn’t find out because they didn’t playtest on their own!

Heroes VI Ghosts and Vestals are powerful in their own way. They really support their own side well. If the big units are out in front and Vestals walking safely behind, they can pacify (paralyze) you for 4 turns when they get to you! But healers can’t fight alone. And if Ubihole has set things up that way, Ubihole should also ensure that you can’t bully them for cheap experience!

What’s so difficult about setting this game up to use mixed neutral armies? Is it that hard? Did Heroes IV’s bad reputation scare Ubihole away? I think it’s obvious that Ubihole just made the game; they didn’t play it.

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Why are there only 5 factions? Yes, I have been reading the forum comments on Ubihole’s website. I think you guys don’t dare to eliminate popular factions like Wizards/Titans; Warlocks/Dragons; Elves/Trees/Unicorns and Dwarves. You’re probably going to offer 2 factions in the next expansion, and another 2 after that for a total of 9.

But why not NOW? Haven’t you heard about ‘putting your best foot forward’? You need to offer a compelling, interesting lineup first time round. You shouldn’t keep popular factions for later. Heroes III did fine in both its expansions. Heroes IV had excellent expansions despite their money problems. Both times they offered only modest changes from the original - maybe one extra faction, some units and artifacts, etc.

You may be worried that people don’t buy the expansion sets, but that’s silly. If you don’t build a strong core interest, you won’t be getting to the expansions anytime. As it is, most longtime gamers are pretty disgusted you don’t have dragons and titans and elves. Most will still buy, but enthusiasm level has dropped a lot on the forums.

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Many people have complained about the generic look on many units. I won’t go into that. Instead, let me point out just one example on how I feel Ubihole is indifferent to this game beyond ‘we want to make a profit’.

The phoenix is... gray! Since when in history has a phoenix been depicted as gray? (I thought they were thunderbirds until I attacked them.) Are Ubihole’s programmers so out of touch in their computer labs? If it is creativity to draw gray phoenixes, why not we recolor and 3D-rize the entirety of Heroes III so that we can at least get a modernized, 3D and graphically up to date Heroes III to pose as Heroes VI?

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It used to be that different spell schools were allocated on the basis of the faction. EG Barbarians in Heroes III were supposed to be might so they had to conquer other factions to get higher level mage guilds. Necromancers in Heroes IV couldn’t get life magic unless they found an altar or paid for lessons at a magic school, after which they had to buy scrolls or conquer towns to get more spells. Yet they could be rewarded for their efforts - such as a Dark Priest class which allowed them a permanent vampiric attack. All that made sense.

Now in Heroes VI, everybody can get the same spells without town or race differentiation. The only things they can’t always use are artifacts which specify some kind of affinity. I was playing Inferno in the demo and wound up magic-affinity, so I became a Pyromancer. But I figured my units were liable to get hurt and didn’t think my enemies were all that afraid of fire, so I got healing magic for them instead. So my Pyromancer never cast a single fire spell all game. I just used her to keep healing my troops resulting in minimal losses.

And then I wound up fighting a paladin. Now, in all of fantasy literature, paladins are holy warriors of the light who heal. In all of the heroes franchise, knight/ paladins /castle/ haven faction are defensive in nature and go for spells that enhance and protect their troops. But the Heroes VI paladin I fought kept casting fire spells. He would hit me with a fire spell, then use hero attack, then when cooldown was over he used another fire spell. Not as if he really hurt me. I’m the Inferno player and my troops are resistant!

Why didn’t this Heroes VI paladin go for spells like Rush or Celestial armor? Or a warcry? Is it because the AI is stupid? (Isn’t it better to spend more time making a better AI than worry about graphics?) Or is it because Ubihole blithely made all spells available to everyone thus confusing the AI? Why must all factions have access to the same skills and spells? Isn’t that as ridiculous as the notion of a Swiss marine unit or Mongolian navy?

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With its limited, unenthusiastic ‘creativity’, Ubihole has effectively messed up the original lineups and provided nothing genuinely new.

The Sanctuary/ Haven/ Castle/ Knight faction used to be a very defensive bunch. They were centered on humans, light magic, healing magic, angels, etc. Now Ubihole has created core units - sentinels/ praetorians, vestals and crossbow/ marksmen in that genre. Well and good. What did they do for elite units? They gave us... Harpies! Where in the fantasy genre did they get Blazing Glories from? And how do these fit into a human-centered crowd? And how does a harpy-like style of attack fit into the style of that faction?

No answer. Ubihole pulled the notion of Radiant Glories from some entertaining black hole?

I’m sorry, but giving a unit a new name does not create a new unit. Sun Riders are the Cavalry/ Champions/ Paladins of previous HOMM versions. Same skills, same tactics. Only difference is their ability to charge Through the enemy. Apparently it doesn’t work through castle walls, though, so I never found them very useful.

And so, how do the Heroes VI Haven Elite units mesh with their Core counterparts? Three fast, essentially flying attackers that can reach anywhere vs 3 slow, plodding and defensive units. How do your heroes adapt to this change? It’s not hard to figure that this is unbalanced.

To make things worse, Marksmen now can hit their own allies. With 3 big units up in front (Angel, Griffin, Sun Rider) and Marksmen typically occupying the castle turret, it is genuinely very hard not to hit one’s own side. Often my marksmen have to forego their turn. They can’t even get their own units to protect them by standing in front!

Ubihole, if you guys are in France, here’s an English lesson. Check your dictionaries. Marksmen are like Sharpshooters. They shoot well. That’s the lesson of Agincourt. If you want them to hit everybody standing nearby, then rename them Magogs (Heroes III) or Mucksmen for Mucking Up.

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Folks, I know that some people think Sanctuary is intended to please the East Asian market. Sorry, but Nagas and amphibian units are not the main part of Japanese, much less Asian mythology. Japanese have more myths regarding demons from the mountains and deep forests. Ubihole probably got that Naga impression from Warcraft 3: Frozen Throne. Actually, in East Asia Nagas are generally regarded as an Indian cultural import.

As a non-Christian people, Japanese just have a very rich sprit/ fantasy world. Unfortunately, kenshi just means swordsman and mizu-kami just means a water spirit. Using Japanese words to create an ‘exotic’ feel falls totally flat on me.

Shark Guard? Is that creative? Ubihole is just using foreign words to basically say the same thing. You can certainly create an Arab/ Desert/ Wizard faction and call their hunchbacked camel soldiers kamelaaskari and it sounds soooo exotic. I read about kenshi all the time in Japanese manga. So this comes across as another pale and uncreative attempt to create another faction.

If anything, most Asian fans of Asian fantasy genres would think it was ridiculous that kappa have higher initiative than swordsmen. They won’t even know how to react to a kappa having higher initiative than a Kirin. Ubihole has done the equivalent of Nintendo creating games with cute medusas and adorable hell hounds, crawling phoenixes and flying hydras! Nintendo isn’t so dumb, so please Ubihole, don’t be so dumb either.

(For reasons linked to the quality of Japanese steel, Japanese swordsmen were able to wield strong, light, flexible blades. They were able to make good anti-arrow armor using silk, which is protective due to high fiber density. So the Japanese wound up focusing on agility and speed. The kenshi is NOT a lumbering Western knight with his heavy wrought-iron sword wearing a 30-pound suit of chain mail underneath his 60 pound suit of plate mail. If Ubihole doesn’t know this, they ought to play some Asian games before making a stupid frog hop faster than a dragon.)

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I am not predicting a failure for Ubihole. On the contrary, I believe Ubihole will make a profitable game. This standard of gamemaking is exactly what is in demand nowadays.

But it won’t beat HOMM III. It won’t make a real difference to the gaming world. It will be played now, but 5 years from now, it’ll be outdated. It is a well crafted quality game that will probably draw favorable ratings and command good sales. But it doesn’t hook. It doesn’t offer a really exciting new world to explore. No good stories; no compelling tales. Nor is it rooted in existing fantasy worlds. How do you expect a strong following to develop?

I’ve played so much Heroes in the past 16 years. Except for unusually difficult maps of the kind benbird or Salamandre write about, I have finished practically every famous map or user made campaign from Heroes II to V. Except for the Shadow of Death campaigns (Draco’s and Adrienne’s) which I felt were boring, I have generally finished all campaigns, usually on several difficulty settings. I have my black dragon and archangel scores.

Heroes VI should offer enough to many gamers for the next 3-5 years to ensure a decent multiplayer fan base. But it isn’t compelling enough for me to start playing, and I can tell it is definitely not compelling enough for many mapmakers to spend all that time working on new maps for it. Look at the plethora of maps for Heroes III and IV and you realize that, despite their flaws, these two games truly offer a lot that will keep gamers coming back and mapmakers exercising their creativity.

In the end Heroes VI will probably get a very modest independent mapmaker base, much like Heroes V. If you want to compete with others at the Conflux on Ubihole’s official maps, do go for Heroes VI. If you like playing through a great fan-made custom campaign or scenario, I suggest you wait for Heroes VII. Or stop gaming, as I have done.

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Unread postby Torur » 14 Sep 2011, 12:26

What a flame post. 8|

I do, though see what you mean by most of your statements. Though I am so far excited about the storyline they are plotting. What I have seen in the beta so far I like alot storywise.
Still the poor AI and bland generic creatures are a turnoff when it comes to HoMM VI. I hope these things will be better balance before release. The new skill tree is aswell boring and leveling a hero, is no fun and has lost alot of the excitement. The individuality of heroes and the importance of their faction aligment is as good as gone. Which is sad in many ways.

Still I have high hopes for the game, as I so far have enjoyed playing the game. Even if there are many things from the old games that I miss.

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Unread postby Qurqirish Dragon » 14 Sep 2011, 13:54

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