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Postby protecyon » Dec 1 2005, 17:06

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Postby AlnOl » Dec 1 2005, 17:06

Nice description - it will be nice to see the whole variety and how it will play in the game, like the archer upgraded to marksman.
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Postby dragonn » Dec 1 2005, 18:20

Very nice indeed. The only ability that makes me wonder is the Mages Magic Attack. If Mages are spell caster units is this ability their spell or a normal attack?
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Postby ThunderTitan » Dec 1 2005, 18:39

Most likely a normal attack, i hope! In H4 it was very annoying that Mages didn't have a normal ranged attack.
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Postby Kronos » Dec 1 2005, 21:18

I'm curious if a hydra atacking two enemies like on the screenshot, will atack each with only one head and the other heads will rest or if it will atack one enemy with more heads dealing aditional damage...

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Postby Daystar » Dec 1 2005, 21:42

Cool! but still no pics of the dragons. however, the makers of the game seemed to be influenced by the heroes III necropolis. the familiars effect is from the wights/wraiths, and the vampire comes from the vampire. the mage seems to have a "Dragon breath" attack. The war dancer is also very cool.

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Postby Sir Charles » Dec 1 2005, 22:26

Nice indeed.

And notice, our first in-game glimpses of the Silver Unicorn, Ancient Treant, Mage, Gremlin and Minotaur Slave. :O)
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Postby Grumpy Old Wizard » Dec 1 2005, 22:38

I wonder about the mage's magic attack. Not being mele troops, they will be behind the academy's other units and so it seems at first glance that the attack will seldom be able to shoot downrange enemies without damaging their own troops. The same goes for when enemy troops penetrate the line of defence protecting the shooters. We'll have to see how it plays out in the game, but I am not too excited about this ablility.
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Postby Hralcin » Dec 2 2005, 0:14

Aren't both golems and gargoyles highly magic resistant? If they're positioned in front of the mage, they may be able to protect him while taking only minimal damage from the Magic Attack.

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Postby AlnOl » Dec 2 2005, 18:08

If the mage magik attack is "normal", then will it be the same for retaliation? I can see the enemy attacking the mage so that it is aligned with most of my units, therefore making more damage to my troops then to the enemy!
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Postby lordskeleton » Dec 5 2005, 15:39

Well, daystar. The imps of Heroes IV had exactly this ability except that it wasn't calculated by stack size.
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Postby Kronos » Dec 5 2005, 16:06

I don't remember how it was in heroes3, but the familiar special ability seems to be very fatal and effective to me as the mana points stealed are calculated by the stack size... a very large stack can steal all heroes mana for one turn!!!

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Postby Orfinn » Jan 11 2006, 13:22

Should watch out for friendly fire with those mages, lol =P

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Postby roguestate86 » Jan 31 2006, 10:28

where's the full list? this is only some of them!

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Postby Sandro123 » Feb 16 2006, 10:29

more specials should be added. Like, the archer's special of firing on several adjacent tiles with 50% damage. This is lost with the upgrade to marksman in exchange for a slight increase in damage.

the mage's attack is really strange and I doubt that it will be widely used. Since magi are obviously spellcasters, is this attack a magic one or a normal?

It doesn't seem to be normal, but if it is, how can a normal attack be with rays shooting here and there? I mean, if it is a normal, is it melee or ranged? If it is, the black dragons would not be budget by it...

It is a strange attack, I am anxious to try it out!

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Postby Sandro123 » Feb 16 2006, 10:33

Also, the famiar's mana stealing is quite useful, although the familiars themselves are quite fragile. What happens to the mana if it exceeds the amount the hero's knowledge allows? Does it disappear or does it go back to the enemy hero?

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Postby Sandro123 » Feb 16 2006, 10:37

So my guess is that vampires also, not just vamp lords, can drain life? This is totally new and for me, it makes pointless the upgrade to vamp lords. It is my favourite creaature, so I don't want it deprived of all it's functions...

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Postby wimfrits » Feb 16 2006, 10:57

Sandro123 wrote:This is totally new and for me, it makes pointless the upgrade to vamp lords.


I kinda like the genuine choices to upgrade or not as opposed to the nobrainers in previous games.

- both unupgraded and upgraded units are useful.
- upgrading does justify the cost, only cost is so high that you really need to choose which creature(s) to upgrade

This brings a lot more diversity in townbuilding and overall strategies than H2 or H3 had.
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Postby Orfinn » Mar 10 2006, 19:45

Yeah you have rigth there wimfrits, the upg system is more diverse than in H3, upg is a much more strategical and tactical choice than before =)

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Postby RommeL_666 » May 11 2006, 23:12

hello,don t you think that Familliar steals to many mana???like I can in a demo just one time cast a spell then I am finished with my hero.

and the Druid in the demo is tooooo strong:x)
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