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Postby Akul » May 3 2011, 11:32

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Postby Akul » May 3 2011, 11:32

I like the way Lord Jaywoods thinks :D
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Postby darmo » May 5 2011, 1:06

Lord Haart??

The one who was dead in H3 live again in H6??

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Postby Kalah » May 5 2011, 11:23

It seems that the whole week's lineup has been released on the Chinese page. Oh, well. Since I don't speak Chinese, I'll just update this page when the bios come out on Facebook. Nice pics, though.
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Postby Avonu » May 5 2011, 11:31

New Sanctuary heroes look ugly. And I think I saw Tsuan in other game... as a Dwarf. Same for Mokka - isn't she a little similar to Jaheira? Or maybe it's because her hair?

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Postby Dalai » May 5 2011, 15:42

Oh, well. Since I don't speak Chinese
Almost readable - translate
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Postby ThunderTitan » May 5 2011, 16:04

Looks at that, some non-faction-race heroes for each faction... too bad they're still only humans...

Hey Marzhin, where's Maximus and Halon.
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Postby Avonu » May 5 2011, 17:26

Oh, well. Since I don't speak Chinese
Almost readable - translate
Their bios already were on Failbook when you posted that. :P

BTW I think this version of Grawl Lorhish is much better:

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Postby ThunderTitan » May 5 2011, 17:33

Lack of a nose always helps...
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Postby Avonu » May 5 2011, 19:11

...spiked ears and snow white hair also.

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Postby XEL II » May 5 2011, 20:14

Hey Marzhin, where's Maximus and Halon.
Halon is a genie and he was is a Wizard hero in both H2 and H3 :p Although Wizard town didn't have genies in H2.
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Postby ThunderTitan » May 6 2011, 10:41

Yeah, but a green genie (when i never saw a green genie unit in HoMM) and a blue elf (should have included Kastore, but it slipped my mind) are better then the way H5 handled it.
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Postby XEL II » May 6 2011, 19:14

Kastore in HoMM I-II is non-canonical, he just fills out the roster like most of the heroes in these games, not having any storyline or bio. Canonical heroes in HoMM I-II are those who had the storyline in these or future games: Halon, Lord Kilburn, Lord Haart, Sandro, Yog, Falagar, Gem, Fineous, Crag Hack, Luna and Alamar. Kastore is canonical in MM III and MM VII. Incuding "a Kastore" would have made a good tribute to the main MM series for a change, though.

I hope Crag Hack mentioned in Heroes VI is Crag Hack from Enroth (human Barbarian from HoMM I-IV), who somehow arrived on Ashan. The side story about his arrival is a good way to link Ashan with the original universe.
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Postby Corlagon » May 6 2011, 19:18

Why aren't they canonical in H1-2? Did NWC ever confirm such a thing in an interview, or is it just because you said so? :P

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Postby XEL II » May 6 2011, 19:23

Why aren't they canonical in H1-2? Did NWC ever confirm such a thing in an interview, or is it just because you said so?
First of all, lower your tone, please -_-

Well, the roster of tavern heroes in H1-2 is mostly made from "recycled" characters from MM 1-5. These heroes had no biographies (like heroes in H3-4) and were basically filling out the rosters. Only few of them were integrated into the storyline, being namesakes of respective characters from MM1-5. Including all of them into the storyline would have been redundant and made too much "clone" characters. There would be two Kastores, two Carlawns, etc.

Of course, they could all be treated as part of the storyline, Enroth is a far away planet after all, but most of these "namesake heroes" haven't got any storyline in the games.
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Postby XEL II » May 6 2011, 19:26

Well, the roster of tavern heroes in H1-2 is mostly made from "recycled" characters from MM 1-5. These heroes had no biographies (like heroes in H3-4) and were basically filling out the rosters.
It's somewhat similar to how heroes from H3 could be hired in Heroes Chronicles (WotW, CotU, MotE, TWT, TFM) maps.
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Postby Corlagon » May 6 2011, 19:28

That's not much of a reason to exclude them from the lore.

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Postby XEL II » May 6 2011, 19:34

That's not much of a reason to exclude them from the lore.
As I said, including them all would have been somewhat redundant. But as I also said (in the next sentecne :p), one might as well do so without a problem. For instance, Kastore of H1-2 is is clearly not Kastore of MM III, they look differently.

Enroth is far away from XEEN and Terra and CRON is always moving and there can be many namesake in the whole universe (heck, there is a motherload of namesakes on one Earth ;)).

By the way, Atlas is the same Atlas of Olympus from XEEN, as pointed in MM VI. Apparently, some of the Olympus race travelled to Enroth in the past (there are Hermes' Sandals, artifact named Zeus, Atlas and several others).
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Postby Corlagon » May 6 2011, 19:43

I know there is a good argument that they don't count as real characters. The issue is just that you said "Kastore is non canonical" and not "it's my belief that he is".

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Postby XEL II » May 6 2011, 19:55

That's the issue just for you.
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