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Postby jeff » Jun 20 2007, 23:16

Corribus wrote: I repeat: I doubt they would ever turn the game into an RTS game. I said RTS elements. Their goal is going to be to shake things up. Adding some RTS elements would certainly do that. I expect you may also see a return of some features from H4, like possibly heroes on the battlefield. All speculation on my part, of course, but I can assure you that H6 will be quite different from H5, and probably any HoMM game before it. Mark me.


I believe you on the real time thing, now I have vehemently stated in other threads that as owner of the franchise UBI is ultimately responsible for anything that is wrong with H5. Several people have expressed the desire that UBI allow Nival to develop the game they want thereby giving us a better game, H6 hopefully. I am curious why some people say that UBI has interfered as opposed to Nival just being incompetent. The fact they have done other games well does not necessarily mean they can do a Heroes game well.
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Postby Moragauth » Jun 21 2007, 1:03

I understood your point Corribus - RTS elements would be great, if done properly. Heroes would not be the same at all if it were not TBS, so I doubt Nival would shoot itself in the foot by going down that path.

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Postby jeff » Jun 21 2007, 1:43

Besides there are enough RTS games, while TBS is sadly lacking.
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Postby Moragauth » Jun 21 2007, 2:41

Too true.

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Postby asandir » Jun 21 2007, 3:30

if done properly .... HA .... it could work
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Postby ThunderTitan » Jun 21 2007, 21:25

Arveragus wrote:>If Nival does develop Heroes VI, this guarantees a certain continuity in the game world at least, allowing them to build on the foundations laid by Heroes V and Dark Messiah.<



WRONG. The world is Ubisoft's idea, and DM was made by Arkane, not Nival.
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Postby hein321 » Jun 22 2007, 13:12

from what i have seen from hommV and all recent games well except
a most recent game called (if i am allowed to say it's name): ufo:extraterrestrials that was quite good i think i'll retire from games
i don't even want to find out how they will further restrict homm VI
getting a bit too old for this think i'll retire and go get married :)

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Postby jeff » Jun 22 2007, 14:05

hein321 wrote:from what i have seen from hommV and all recent games well except
a most recent game called (if i am allowed to say it's name): ufo:extraterrestrials that was quite good i think i'll retire from games
i don't even want to find out how they will further restrict homm VI
getting a bit too old for this think i'll retire and go get married :)


I'm a lot older than you, and to be honest I am beginning to feel the same way. That my time gaming is coming to an end. It may well be that H-V is a great game, but my expectations are so high that no game will meet them. The editor in H-V has certainly excluded my participation in that aspect of the game, and to be honest once I’ve played the manufacture’s campaigns there is not much else in it for me. In H-IV there were several wonderful user made campaigns. In H-V the editor finally has a campaign ability, thank you UBI for that. However the editor is still far too difficult to fight with and the campaign editor has a few ridiculous restrictions (ex. number of carryover heroes limited to 4????). So unless something happens either with Tribes or a complete redo with H-VI, I am afraid I may be outta here in the not too distant future.
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Postby HodgePodge » Jun 22 2007, 14:49

jeff wrote:
hein321 wrote:… i think i'll retire from games
i don't even want to find out how they will further restrict homm VI
getting a bit too old for this think i'll retire and go get married :)

I'm a lot older than you, and to be honest I am beginning to feel the same way. That my time gaming is coming to an end. It may well be that H-V is a great game, but my expectations are so high that no game will meet them.

… So unless something happens either with Tribes or a complete redo with H-VI, I am afraid I may be outta here in the not too distant future.

I have felt that way too, because, to me, Heroes V was such a big disappointment. Was it the quality of the game or have I been playing for too long? Anyhow, I do find myself doing other things more now that the original thrill of playing computer games has worn off significantly. ;|
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Postby Omega_Destroyer » Jun 22 2007, 14:57

Just a side-effect of getting older I suppose. I used to really enjoy videogames but it keeps getting harder and harder to rationlize spending 3 hours a day playing one. And since time is scarce, I feel even more irratated/guilty that I've wasted my time on a sub-par product. So it's easy to understand why you feel like giving up on the series.
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Postby jeff » Jun 22 2007, 16:05

Man the old folks home is starting to get crowded. :D
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Postby Omega_Destroyer » Jun 22 2007, 16:16

Huh? What? Nurse! NURSE!!!!
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Postby Corribus » Jun 22 2007, 16:29

I wouldn't describe it as liking video games less... more like feeling more guilty about liking video games the same. I rarely have time to play in chunks of more than an hour or so, unless the wife's away :) , and even if I do, I feel guilty for having blown a day without doing something productive. Man I hate being an adult. :(
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Postby Omega_Destroyer » Jun 22 2007, 16:32

It certainly does get in the way of fun.
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Postby Moragauth » Jun 22 2007, 16:39

In spite of all its bugs, I do not think the game's quality is low (although its plot is dumb). Now that Nival is beginning to polish it it's starting to shine through. It'll be of interest to see how HoMM VI is handled.

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Postby ThunderTitan » Jun 22 2007, 17:09

Moragauth wrote:In spite of all its bugs, I do not think the game's quality is low


Well of course it's not low... there are plenty of atrocious games out there, making H5 only mediocre.
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Postby Jolly Joker » Jun 22 2007, 17:23

Oh, come on, stop this miserable self-pity, you old farts. I'm easily the oldest here and still enjoy gaming a lot - and the wife does as well which makes things probably a lot easier.
Still, it seems to be a question of doing other things as well beside gaming.
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Postby jeff » Jun 22 2007, 17:33

Ok JJ what's your AARP membership number? :)
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Re: On Nival and Heroes

Postby HodgePodge » Jun 22 2007, 18:19

ThunderTitan wrote:
Moragauth wrote:In spite of all its bugs, I do not think the game's quality is low

Well of course it's not low... there are plenty of atrocious games out there, making H5 only mediocre.

:-D I think you hit the nail right on the head, TT.
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Postby Apocalypse » Jun 22 2007, 18:36

Good to know Nival is making H6. I like H5 the best, mostly because of what Nival changed (like Dungeon's faction line-up, etc)
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