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Re: Do You Steam?

Postby berntie » Jul 29 2012, 13:47

Kalah wrote:So how about you - do you Steam at all?
I've never used Steam and I never will.

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Postby klaymen » Jul 29 2012, 22:24

jeff wrote: GOG is the way to go, but I heard they may be going away.


That's bull.

On topic: I use Steam, but after their Euro scam I purchase very rarely from them. Even their 75% discounts mean nothing for me, unless I really want that game.
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Postby jeff » Jul 29 2012, 22:46

klaymen wrote:That's bull.


Which part are you referring to, and it was on topic. :|
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Postby klaymen » Jul 30 2012, 3:34

Look at the bold part of the quote. :)
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Postby Kalah » Jul 30 2012, 8:03

Are you talking about their shifting focus?
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Postby klaymen » Jul 30 2012, 11:51

Kalah wrote:Are you talking about their shifting focus?


If he was talking about this, then he is quite a bit late, because that change has happened a few months ago. That's why I did not take it into consideration.
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Postby jeff » Jul 30 2012, 15:34

klaymen wrote:Look at the bold part of the quote. :)


No, the bolded part referred to the fact I thought I read GOG may be going out of business in another thread. Since I can't find it then I will assume my memory there was faulty. It was not off topic as the whole post dealt with Steam and why or why not. :disagree:
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Postby GreatEmerald » Jul 30 2012, 20:01

jeff wrote:> It was not off topic as the whole post dealt with Steam and why or why not. :disagree:


By "On topic:" he meant that the part of his post below was on topic (as opposed to the other part concerning bulls).

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Postby jeff » Jul 30 2012, 20:27

GreatEmerald wrote:
jeff wrote:> It was not off topic as the whole post dealt with Steam and why or why not. :disagree:


By "On topic:" he meant that the part of his post below was on topic (as opposed to the other part concerning bulls).


Oh, so this has been a complete misunderstanding on my part. Well my bad and my apologies Klayman. :S
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Postby klaymen » Jul 30 2012, 22:37

No problem :)
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Postby Avonu » Aug 2 2012, 8:34

http://www.gamefront.com/steams-new-eul ... -lawsuits/


Just to remind you - EULA is "ink on a page" and game companies can put there anything, but it's local law which decides, what player can and what can't do against game publishers and their products.

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Postby Kalah » Aug 2 2012, 9:50

As we have seen here. :)
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Postby hellegennes » Aug 3 2012, 4:04

Actually, EULA is a contract and if it contains nothing that contradicts local laws, then it's valid. So, if there isn't anything illegal, according to local law, everything the EULA says is valid.

Don't forget that only a constitution contains passages that specifically lay down your rights. All other laws are made to clarify actions that are forbidden and the exceptions to those. And it's logical too. If something is not forbidden by law, then you are free to do it. Unless of course, you have signed a contract that forbids you to do it. And remember, EULA is a contract.

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Postby Kalah » Aug 3 2012, 9:55

But that's exactly the point here - the EULA is rendered invalid because of "local" (EU" law.
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Postby hellegennes » Aug 3 2012, 12:59

In this instance yes, but it's not true that generally EULAs don't matter. It's like every other contract: if it doesn't contradict any law, it's 100% binding. That's not something new. There is no legal contract that can ask you to break the law or forfeit your constitutional rights.

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Postby Kalah » Aug 3 2012, 13:08

Yes, but again, that's the point. There is no law that says you can re-sell downloaded products. That's why Oracle sued. They lost because the law doesn't need to specify; downloaded products are products like any other.

EULAs frequently ask users for things that are more stringent than Law. In this case, the EU said (for the first time in a court) that this is illegal. Obvious though it may seem, there are legal minutias that affect the outcome of a court case.
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Re: Do You Steam?

Postby klaymen » Aug 3 2012, 16:46

Kalah wrote:Yes, but again, that's the point. There is no law that says you can re-sell downloaded products.


Well, not a law, but....

Kalah wrote:EULAs frequently ask users for things that are more stringent than Law. In this case, the EU said (for the first time in a court) that this is illegal. Obvious though it may seem, there are legal minutias that affect the outcome of a court case.


Not to mention that in some cases you cannot see the EULA contents before purchase (mainly retail distribution) and then it is practically rendered void.
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Postby Variol » Aug 6 2012, 8:45

I have never heard of Steam. Do you have to go to some website to see these specials? And, DRM is where you have to have an internet connection right?


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