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Postby Tress » Oct 31 2011, 15:08

MMXAlamar wrote:This is an official MM10 and follows the conventions of the old Universe. The story is based on the planned and unused information from NWC developers who worked on MM9 and HOMM4.



Ubisoft has had the opportunity for over 5 years to announce an MM10, yet they have made multiple new games of their own creations instead.


Not to be mean or anything, but no matter how much any fan fiction follows supposedly cannon, or presumably realizes dropped plot lines, it cant ever be call "official" Sure there is good fanfiction here and there(sometimes even surpassing original though rarely), but it's never official nor canon.


As for name. Personally I would think more of project if it wouldn't carry such name. First that's, ubi job to make mm10 or whatever they will call it. Second it's misleading. Third it's unfair to number of other fan made projects.

Why UBI seemingly don't care? Well my guess they arent jerks on genetic level like EA that tried to kill doom3 based system shock themed mod, just because it was set in same universe. Secondly I think that ubi is not taking such projects seriously. Once it(or MMT) will show signs of life that would suggest that it will become something more than page in wiki, or few screenshots on net, they will suddenly remember about you.

P.S. Did survey, hope that will help make this project better.

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Postby astral76minor » Oct 31 2011, 21:23

@hellegennes

The game can easily be played with JUST A CONTOL PAD.
A Playstation like control pad has directional buttons that can serve for the purpose of the mouse. The control pad directional buttons can allow for simple GUI pull-down menus, therefore eliminating any need for a keyboard and a mouse!!!!

It is the programmers decision to do this. If they listen, many dollars could be made just by improving the game play ergonomics.

Many people would love to sit back on the couch and play the game through a flat screen TV in the living room with a control pad. I am simply saying that the game can be re-programmed to support a control pad and pull down menus like old school games (Dragon Warrior, Ultima, and Phantasy Star).

When it comes to an RPG, the gaming experience is more enjoyable with a control pad. M&M is turn-based during battles with a simple button. It is real time until you hit the turn button to slow the game down, enabling people to make key decisions at their own pace (perhaps the games saving grace). And, it can be done with some programming.

The people whom are programming this lovely game can take advantage of the control pad to increase sales or popularity since both a console and a PC will & can be utilized.

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Postby hellegennes » Nov 1 2011, 0:07

Astral76minor, you should realise that this isn't a JRPG! So pull-down menus and the rest will not work. Using a keyboard for such a game is much more convenient and practical. There are a lot of buttons and functions because THEY ARE NEEDED. Please, realise that! From MM6 onwards, I rarely used the turn-based system because real-time battles make the game a million times better. There are more strategic options to use, you can evade, dodge, hit and run, etc.

Also, pull-down menus and the rest make the interface more complicated for no reason. Since you cannot have 20 buttons on a pad, for resting, quick reference, yell, jump, automap, etc., the only other way is to make them accessible through silly menus, hence making the process longer than just pressing a button. Why is that more convenient I'll never know.

Not to mention, of course, object swapping between party members. I can't imagine a more easy way than using the assigned 4-5 buttons (you can still use the mouse, but it's way more tedious and slow).

Finally, this is a fan-made game, so stop talking about money.

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Postby astral76minor » Nov 1 2011, 0:50

@hellegennes

It is possible to play the game with a control pad, since there is a key which allows turn-based playing. And the control pads allow for up to 16 buttons, which should be more than enough versus a keyboard especially with the d-pad and GUI menus. Not everyone plays in real time (and this is why I enjoy the original Might and Magic RPG).

It would take a bit more programming to support the control pad, BUT I DO KNOW IT CAN BE DONE, my nemesis. This should make you more than proud for the games heritage into the New Age.

Even if it goes back to the keyboard and the mouse, by the world's nature it will eventually move to the control pad over time. This is simple progression. I am saying that it can be done NOW!
Edited on Mon, Oct 31 2011, 20:53 by astral76minor

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Postby Corlagon » Nov 1 2011, 16:21

I am a bit surprised at the continued appeals to change the name. As far as copyright goes, when I was working on the project the attitude was, and quite rightly, "who cares". It was a bit of fun and a labour of love, but also fundamentally a Might and Magic project making use of the Might and Magic name and IP. There would be no inelegant, weaselly tactics like removing Might and Magic from the title or changing the names of everything in the Might and Magic IP just to keep the project legal. If Ubisoft issued a cease and desist letter - which they haven't thus far - I would've respected that and stopped working on it just as with Chrono Resurrection, Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes or King's Quest: The Silver Lining. It would be their foot being shot, after all.

My attitude was also that this is not an official entry in the series and never to be considered canonical, no matter how accurate and wonderful we might have gotten the storyline, unless either Jon Van Caneghem or Ubisoft took it and said it is a valid continuation. Much like William Shatner's Star Wars books may be highly-regarded and quasi-official simply because of William Shatner's involvement, but even so are not to be considered part of the Star Wars universe. Or much like David Gaider's Ascension has never been part of Baldur's Gate canon, in spite of David Gaider.

@Hellegenes: Ubisoft holds the rights to "Might and Magic" and the ampersanded "Might & Magic". The ampersand in seen in the titles of all their present games.

astral76minor wrote:bring in more customers


astral76minor wrote:many dollars could be made


astral76minor wrote:take advantage of the control pad to increase sales


Fanmade, non-profit project :rolleyes:

astral76minor wrote:It would increase the total popularity for Might and Magic X and make the game ergonomically comfortable for everyone!


...aside from those who don't own or can't afford said control pads.

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Postby Tress » Nov 1 2011, 17:29

astral76minor wrote:@hellegennes



It is possible to play the game with a control pad, since there is a key which allows turn-based playing. And the control pads allow for up to 16 buttons, which should be more than enough versus a keyboard especially with the d-pad and GUI menus. Not everyone plays in real time (and this is why I enjoy the original Might and Magic RPG).



It would take a bit more programming to support the control pad, BUT I DO KNOW IT CAN BE DONE, my nemesis. This should make you more than proud for the games heritage into the New Age.



Even if it goes back to the keyboard and the mouse, by the world's nature it will eventually move to the control pad over time. This is simple progression. I am saying that it can be done NOW!
Edited on Mon, Oct 31 2011, 20:53 by astral76minor



Just because it;s possible doesn't make it better. I once used 2 dollar gamepad(without thumbsticks even), and bound most basicabilities of rogue in world of warcraft just for laughs(and to make a little point how trivial they were to play at that point). Sure I could play it, but it certainly didn't made game better.
As for MM with gamepad.... well any game that requires use of pointer, instantly decreases in fun for me moment I cant freely use it. For example sorting inventory with game-pad is just atrocious. Sure there are lots of games with inventory that are made to be interacted with gamepad's cross but they are 100x worse and makes me hate developers if they leave it for pc version of game(deusex 2 for example) unchanged.

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Postby theGryphon » Nov 1 2011, 17:36

Corlagon, I don't understand why you're getting offended by the name change suggestions. I, and I believe everybody here, said what we said for the good of the project, just in case Ubisoft shows you the face of a "for-profit corporate", which it is. No reason to go defensive, as there is no offense intended, and you asked for input. I'm 100% behind this project. As the Japanese say: Ganbatte! ;)
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Postby Corlagon » Nov 1 2011, 17:44

Um, but I'm not offended, just a bit surprised as I said. I'm not even one of the people working on the project any more so it really is nothing personal.

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Postby Eon » Nov 1 2011, 19:54

I don't care what the game is called as long as they hold true to the M&M conventions. I did the survey too.

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Postby Arret » Nov 1 2011, 23:21

Thinking about it, there was a question on Light/Neutral/Dark. Is this referring to MM3 faction, where Neutral is closer to a Chaos faction, or conventional netural, being neither light nor good, which would seem closer to unassociated tribes or mecenaries (nomads, ogres, wasps)?

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Postby MMXAlamar » Nov 2 2011, 2:37

M&MX is official as a 10th Might and Magic can possibly get.

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Postby theGryphon » Nov 2 2011, 2:45

@MMXAlamar: I don't think we understand the same thing from the word "official", and I must say, I'm pretty sure I get it right. Why don't you say "M&MX is as good as a 10th Might and Magic can possibly get."? Then, we can all be happy. You're inexplicably insisting on your "official". If that's gonna make you happy, OK. It's officially "official".
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Postby astral76minor » Nov 3 2011, 0:18

I played many turn-based RPGs growing up since 1982-2011. I've used the keyboard on RPG's for over 20 years. When the Nintendo came out (and the other consoles afterward), I got used to using a control pad (it was convenient) and if you're like me, you do not want to hit the wrong key on the keyboard in a huge battle. If the GUI is made on M&M X the right way, it can be like that classic RPG experience, except there is no worrying about a huge keyboard in the way. The keyboard is old and it is just a pile of buttons that you have to give exclusive attention to, since the programmers didn't spend the time on GUI's for a control pad, or even a mouse (only).

A 16 button control pad for the PC (like a Playstation one) costs less than $20 USD. Mine has never broke and I've had it for 5 years (it even lasts longer than a mouse)!!!!

Alot of us are old school gamers, above the age of 40. Isn't it about time we used that damn keyboard less and less? Why not make the game more ergonomic and fun? I know the control pad will not be supported. So if you all want to pay attention to a huge keyboard, BE MY GUEST.

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Postby XEL II » Nov 3 2011, 12:10

Honestly, I don't give a damn about what Ubi might think, BUT if they start to insist that we change the project's name, then I think we woud have to change it. As of yet, there haven't been any such demands from Ubisoft, so let's leave the name alone.

And if I were Ubisoft, I would give this project their Seal of Approval. It deserves such recognition no less (and maybe more) than Legends of the Ancients.
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Postby XEL II » Nov 3 2011, 12:20

In all the years that the MMX project exists, Ubisoft had every chance to confront the team about legal issues. They hadn't done that to this day. Maybe this isn't a big deal to them :)

Btw, there was also the case of fan-made addon to HoMM3 called REKVIZIT, which is a profit project, i.e. its developers sell this mod for money. Without ever getting Ubisoft's permission. Of course, this is quite an oversight on Ubi's part, but I guess if they haven't demanded of this project to become non-profit or be closed, they could tolerate us using the name "Might and Magic X: Children of the Void".[/i]
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Postby Tress » Nov 3 2011, 17:08

XEL II wrote:Honestly, I don't give a damn about what Ubi might think, BUT if they start to insist that we change the project's name, then I think we woud have to change it. As of yet, there haven't been any such demands from Ubisoft, so let's leave the name alone.

And if I were Ubisoft, I would give this project their Seal of Approval. It deserves such recognition no less (and maybe more) than Legends of the Ancients.



Well once it's out they possibly will. Considering they did it for LOA, proves they aren't ignoring modding community. MMX on other hand, for as far someone in high chair cares might be another project that will never see light of day.After all there is just handful of screenshots Also there is gap between mod and freeware game, so recognition from ubi is different thing in this matter.

As for REKVIZIT. It's small time and its in Russia, and last part alone makes it dead cause to even think about doing something. If you remebr few years ago you could easly find LOTR modded conversion of homm4 selling on nearby tunnel for couple euro,rubles or whatever.

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Postby Marzhin » Nov 3 2011, 22:57

Well as long as you guys are not trying to sell it I don't think Ubi will send you a cease & desist letter. The M&M team at Ubi is always happy to see fan projects and creations.
Not that I'm an official representative of Ubi or anything (I work for them only as freelance). But I know I'm not the only one in the M&M team keeping an eye on your progress ;)
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Postby savetara » Nov 4 2011, 21:25

""""""The M&M team at Ubi is always happy to see fan projects and creations.
Not that I'm an official representative of Ubi or anything (I work for them only as freelance). But I know I'm not the only one in the M&M team keeping an eye on your progress ;)"""""

As mentioned earlier, Ubisoft isn't Square-Enix. :) I will buy Ubisoft products just for hearing these kind words! It really does place a good opinion on Ubisoft for allowing these fan projects to continue.
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Postby XEL II » Nov 5 2011, 11:23

tress wrote:As for REKVIZIT. It's small time and its in Russia, and last part alone makes it dead cause to even think about doing something. If you remebr few years ago you could easly find LOTR modded conversion of homm4 selling on nearby tunnel for couple euro,rubles or whatever.

The fact that LOTR modded conversion was selling in tunnels doesn't make it legitimate, eh? Same with REKVIZIT, beta (!) of which is being sold for ~5 dollars, which alone is against Ubisoft's copyright. Not to mention the fact that, while being a commercial mod, REKVIZIT also uses graphic material from WarCraft III, as well as several other games.
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Postby Tress » Nov 6 2011, 9:26

he fact that LOTR modded conversion was selling in tunnels doesn't make it legitimate, eh? Same with REKVIZIT, beta (!) of which is being sold for ~5 dollars, which alone is against Ubisoft's copyright. Not to mention the fact that, while being a commercial mod, REKVIZIT also uses graphic material from WarCraft III, as well as several other games.


Course it does make it illegitimate, but as Russia resident you should know that in former USSR(specially in Russia, perhaps bit less in EU countries, but even there still ) no one will give damn, and Ubisoft knows it as well that it;s dead cause to even think do something about this. Still if that Remedy guy would manage to sell millions of copies, I think he would get someone knocking on his door. Still there are titles that are sold (from official publishers), in Russia that certainly should get legal interest from publishers , but still no one care.


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