To all the mathematicians and astrophysicists out there...
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To all the mathematicians and astrophysicists out there...
Using what we know about the world of Enroth (24 hour day, 336 days in a year, four seasons roughly similar to our own, yellow sun, known and estimated distances between certain locations), is it possible to estimate the size of the planet?
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Wow, have we sunk so far? There must be something else to talk about. Hmmm... MMT is still as much a lifeless corpse as it was a year ago, no updates on any of the major fan projects, Ubisoft hasn't announced Heroes VI... Dang. I guess we do have nothing else to talk about.
Colony is of course as big as you want it to be. Since, after all, there will never be a game that uses that world. Of course, you could always say it's the same size as the earth.
Colony is of course as big as you want it to be. Since, after all, there will never be a game that uses that world. Of course, you could always say it's the same size as the earth.
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Re: To all the mathematicians and astrophysicists out there.
Kareeah Indaga wrote:Using what we know about the world of Enroth (24 hour day, 336 days in a year, four seasons roughly similar to our own, yellow sun, known and estimated distances between certain locations), is it possible to estimate the size of the planet?
If we know which speed have boats or horse travel in MM6-8 games, then we can estimate how long is Enroth or Antagarich (and we also have to know which are there trade routes). But it is possible to count.
At least continent Enroth should be three times larger then Antagarich - sea travel from AvLee to Evermorn Islands takes 7 days; sea travel from Castle Ironfist to Hermit's Isle takes 21 days; of course these are estimates without counting ocean currents, winds, pirates or sea monsters.
We know also how much continent Enroth take of planet surface - we can estimate it from MM6 intro/outro.
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no, we don't. its earth in that picture.
i dont think it is possible to estimate size of planet using these facts, but it is something very similar to our earth. (because of 24 hour day, similar seasons and duration of year). i think it is a little more massive and closer to sun, but it is only a guess.
i dont think it is possible to estimate size of planet using these facts, but it is something very similar to our earth. (because of 24 hour day, similar seasons and duration of year). i think it is a little more massive and closer to sun, but it is only a guess.
They based time on the planet on the temptations that duped our own ancestors on ancient earth.solitaire345 wrote:no, we don't. its earth in that picture.
i dont think it is possible to estimate size of planet using these facts, but it is something very similar to our earth. (because of 24 hour day, similar seasons and duration of year). i think it is a little more massive and closer to sun, but it is only a guess.
The ancient humans wanted to believe in a perfectly ordered world created by perfect gods or god, as evidenced by the observable heavens.
Thus, when inventing the calendar, their first temptation was that of the moon - the phases of the moon must reflect a perfect month of 28 days.
A perfect twelve of those months must therefore reflect a perfect year of the number of days from MM6.
Add in a perfect twelve zodiacal constellations through which the sun, moon and planets can travel. (The ancients knew nothing about the precession of equinoxes.)
Perfect time and perfect heavenly motion, now and forever, glory hallelujah, amen.
Unfortunately, it only took a few decades of using the 'perfect' calendar invented by the first humans recording history for them to notice that the seasons kept getting distressingly out of sync with their 'perfect' calendar.
It took several thousand years of recorded human history, right up into the Roman Empire and even into the Middle Ages (for the realization of the necessity of a leap year) before we got it right.
Might and Magic's time system merely reflects a romanticized throwback to a 'magickal' age in human history where one could imagine a perfect universe reflected in the heavens.
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Is Colony flat?
The worlds of Might and Magic I, II and III were all flat. If Colony is also flat it'd be as easy to figure out its size as to look at one of the maps that comes with the games.
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Furthermore...
Whether or not it's flat, I don't think the amount of days in a year, or the number of days per year or any thing like that would matter. It's definitely more along the lines of a space station than a planet and I suspect the sun and the seasons are both illusions.
And furthermore from there....
Even if it were a planet, data like how many days are in year wouldn't give information as to its size. The best way to figure it out would be simply to take distances we know from maps and figure that the equator is probably in the south of Jadame.
And furthermore from there....
Even if it were a planet, data like how many days are in year wouldn't give information as to its size. The best way to figure it out would be simply to take distances we know from maps and figure that the equator is probably in the south of Jadame.
I don't think this planet is closer to it's sun. Waters on Enroth are extremly cold, so everyone who wants to swim there is drowning. And this situation is everywhere on planet (Enroth, Jadame or Antagarich) so it isn't climate which cause this effect.solitaire345 wrote:I think it is a little more massive and closer to sun, but it is only a guess.
Also Xenn was 1,1 AU (1AU ~ 149 mln km) from it's sun and years on it were shorter then on Earth. Xeen also have average temperature 72 F (~23 oC) so it's very similar to Earth envioronment.
If someone want to estimate planet size, then I can tell that average ship speed on day (24h) (including ocean currents, no winds/windward, reefs, etc.) was about 6-7 knots (1kn = 1,852 km/h).
Royal yacht Queen Catherine needs 21 days to sail from Castle Ironfist (East of Enroth) to Hermit's Isle (West of Enroth) - but it was very fast ship and very dangerous sea route - and ship from AvLee (North of Antagarich) needs 7 days to sail Evenmorn Isle (South of AvLee). Also distance from Enroth to Antagarich is ~6 weeks sea travel (but not in streight line - travelling ships needs to avoid Regnan pirates).
BTW, the Spinward Rim is the real astrophysical term. It's the outer part of the galaxy's region (Spinward).
archcorenth, Terra wasn't flat.
archcorenth, Terra wasn't flat.
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Actually, given this, then we definitely CANNOT calculate anything. If a planet orbits at 1.1 AU, then it should have a (stellar) year of about 1.15 earth years (Using Kepler's equation T^2 = R^3, where T is the orbital period in earth-years, and R is the mean orbital radius in AUs), so if the distance is larger, and the period is shorter, than the physics of the M&M universe differs from ours.Avonu wrote:
Also Xenn was 1,1 AU (1AU ~ 149 mln km) from it's sun and years on it were shorter then on Earth. Xeen also have average temperature 72 F (~23 oC) so it's very similar to Earth envioronment.
As a side note, if we used the 336 day year, we would get a distance of about 0.95 AUs, again using Kepler.
There is a day cycle on pre-WoX XEEN, so why would it not rotate?
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It can have a different way of rotating than the spherical planets or something like that. After all, days were twilight on the Darkside IIRC.
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