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The role-playing games (I-X) that started it all and the various spin-offs (including Dark Messiah).

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Postby JustTimmY » Mar 29 2013, 19:14

I hate the movement by tiles. If they will force you to follow the road and the freedom of movement outdoors will be 0, then I'll go back to M&M 6-8.

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Postby Bandobras Took » Mar 29 2013, 21:18

Are you suspecting there will be no such thing as grass/forest tiles?
Far too many people speak their minds without first verifying the quality of their source material.

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Postby JustTimmY » Mar 29 2013, 21:33

No, I'm suspecting you will be very limited by rocks, bushes, hills, etc.

If that will be the case, no more Fly spell for example.

For now we don't know that many details about the game but so far I'm not convinced.

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Postby Sir Charles » Mar 30 2013, 0:48

FYI, there was a fly spell in the early tile-based MM games too. They allowed you to fly from one map section to another. C3, D2, A1, etc. They also had skills such as mountaineer and pathfinding that allowed you to pass through mountain tiles and dense forest tiles.

The PAX demo for example you could move around on the road and pathways, and the grassy areas...but not through the trees. That doesn't mean you won't be able to later on with the proper skills.
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Postby Variol » Mar 30 2013, 9:13

Did enemies re-spawn in the older tile-based games?
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Postby GreatEmerald » Mar 30 2013, 10:08

Variol wrote:Did re enemies re-spawn in the older tile-based games?


Secret of the Inner Sanctum: Yes, there are only tile-based encounters, and random encounters are always a possibility, while set encounters respawn after you exit and enter the area.
Gates to Another World: Same thing, but random encounters are much rarer.
Isles of Terra: Enemies respawn from enemy generators. You get a lot of money and items if you destroy the generators. This led people to leave generators, as the enemies that spawn also give you extra money.
World of XEEN: Enemies don't respawn. This led to a finite amount of money in the world, which is not sufficient for training up to highest levels.

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Postby Dharcness » Mar 30 2013, 12:54

I was hoping for a free roaming expansive world like in MM6~MM8. Not to mention a continuation of MM1~MM9 storylines/lore.

Well, here's to hoping MM10 will turn out good.

Btw, looking at MM10 gameplay. I'm sure some people will scream "zomg! It's a Legend of Grimrock Clone!!11!!"

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Postby GreatEmerald » Mar 30 2013, 12:58

Dharcness wrote:Btw, looking at MM10 gameplay. I'm sure some people will scream "zomg! It's a Legend of Grimrock Clone!!11!!"


Will? They have been screaming that for quite a while now.

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Postby JustTimmY » Mar 30 2013, 13:14

Legend of Grimrock is a good game but M&M X should be a lot more.

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Postby Marzhin » Mar 30 2013, 13:35

JustTimmY wrote:Legend of Grimrock is a good game but M&M X should be a lot more.


It is.
For starters, MMX is not only about dungeon-crawling.

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Postby JustTimmY » Mar 30 2013, 14:09

I'm waiting to see how a city looks, where and how you find the trainers or quests.

I'm hoping for a big world to explore.

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Postby GrayFace » Mar 30 2013, 15:57

GreatEmerald wrote:World of XEEN: Enemies don't respawn. This led to a finite amount of money in the world, which is not sufficient for training up to highest levels.

For me that and maybe generators are the best options. I can't imagine myself playing a game with that crazy respawn rules of MM1&2 (respawning set encounters part mostly) you described.
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Postby hellegennes » Mar 30 2013, 18:31

Constant enemy respawn is a thing for either 20-year old RPGs or adventure/action RPGs like Diablo, Legend of Zelda, etc.

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Postby tolich » Mar 30 2013, 20:02

GreatEmerald wrote:World of XEEN: Enemies don't respawn.
Nightshadow does. Winterkill does as well, though not after being cleansed.
hellegennes wrote:Constant enemy respawn is a thing for either 20-year old RPGs or adventure/action RPGs like Diablo, Legend of Zelda, etc.
Diablo? There's no respawn in Diablo. Well, you may restart the game, preserving your experience, skills and stuff, but it's not respawn.

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Postby ThunderTitan » Mar 30 2013, 20:30

GreatEmerald wrote:Will? They have been screaming that for quite a while now.



To be fair, if Grimrock didn't succeed we wouldn't have seen any MMX... or at least not with it's current gameplay...
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Postby GreatEmerald » Mar 30 2013, 20:44

GrayFace wrote:For me that and maybe generators are the best options. I can't imagine myself playing a game with that crazy respawn rules of MM1&2 (respawning set encounters part mostly) you described.


It's not that bad, as most of the time you don't need to fight them more than once anyway. There is usually no reason to leave the area and come back, and until you do so, set encounters won't respawn. Plus, there are certain spells that make going through areas much easier, like Jump, Teleport, Etherealise, Surface, and (in MM2) Lloyd's Beacon.

The fact that you can only save at inns is annoying, though, I'll admit that. Though in MM2 Lloyd's Beacon mostly negates that, and in MM1 dungeons are usually pretty straight-forward, so you don't need to save that often anyway.

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Postby hellegennes » Mar 30 2013, 21:17

tolich wrote:
GreatEmerald wrote:World of XEEN: Enemies don't respawn.
Nightshadow does. Winterkill does as well, though not after being cleansed.
hellegennes wrote:Constant enemy respawn is a thing for either 20-year old RPGs or adventure/action RPGs like Diablo, Legend of Zelda, etc.
Diablo? There's no respawn in Diablo. Well, you may restart the game, preserving your experience, skills and stuff, but it's not respawn.


Monsters do respawn in all three Diablo games (same goes for Titan's Quest, which is very similar to Diablo). They just don't respawn within the same game session. Of course the most egregious example would be Sacred, which had a respawn timer and monsters would respawn rapidly, in the same session. If my memory serves me right, Diablo 1 only had monster respawn on multiplayer.

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Postby hellegennes » Mar 30 2013, 21:20

GreatEmerald wrote:The fact that you can only save at inns is annoying, though, I'll admit that. Though in MM2 Lloyd's Beacon mostly negates that, and in MM1 dungeons are usually pretty straight-forward, so you don't need to save that often anyway.


Saving in any place you like allows for more difficult and challenging dungeons and game experience in general. Because there's no excuse not to. If you have to save at certain points, the game need to be easier, otherwise it's frustrating.

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Postby GrayFace » Mar 31 2013, 4:29

hellegennes wrote:Constant enemy respawn is a thing for either 20-year old RPGs or adventure/action RPGs like Diablo, Legend of Zelda, etc.

Today it's only fit for MMOs. In Diablo 2 it was a rediculously stupid decision.
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Postby Variol » Mar 31 2013, 11:02

In a non-linear game, we need to be able to save, because there's no way of knowing how tough an area is.


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