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Postby XEL II » May 15 2012, 18:00

True, "Enroth" is more widely used as the name of the planet's largest continent located in northern hemisphere. But all people are aware what their world is called.

As for Colony being used out-of-universe, I don't see any need for this term. "Enroth" is convenient enough, for both the planet and a continent.
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Postby Slayer of Cliffracers » May 16 2012, 13:31

XEL II wrote:True, "Enroth" is more widely used as the name of the planet's largest continent located in northern hemisphere. But all people are aware what their world is called.

As for Colony being used out-of-universe, I don't see any need for this term. "Enroth" is convenient enough, for both the planet and a continent.


It's the accepted out of universe term, inventing another term will just confuse people further.

I don't think most people know the world is called Enroth, after-all numerous times in the games do people talk about coming from Enroth, going to Enroth etc. Those that do know about the world being called Enroth will be those who know about the stars being something other than pretty lights in the sky, that is those 'in the know' as it were.

It's 'occult' knowledge which most ordinery people probably think is unsubstantiated nonsense and those few can't really conjure up an Ancient on demand to prove that it isn't even if they wanted to.
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Postby GreatEmerald » May 16 2012, 17:29

Uh huh. Because saying "Planet of Enroth" instead of "Enroth" is sooo difficult.

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Postby Slayer of Cliffracers » May 20 2012, 20:23

GreatEmerald wrote:Uh huh. Because saying "Planet of Enroth" instead of "Enroth" is sooo difficult.


Writing three words instead of one is more difficult indeed. ;) ;)
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Postby Dave_Jame » Jun 9 2012, 9:53

Hi
Just wanted to share my opinion
1: Antagarich is in the Northen hemispher: In MaM VI it is described to be 200 navel Miles east of Enroth.
2: The fact that Antagarich ha snow on the south of the continent is not that important. For A Vory has much more snow on it and it is north of the continent. B Bracada is a mountanines dessert. It can very well have snow. For example Atlas has good sky conditions and its souther then Rome or Spain.

These are the reasons I think Antagarich should be more north, and also.. Jadame should be somehow smaller. Imho..

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Postby Avonu » Jun 9 2012, 19:49

Dave_Jame wrote:Hi
Just wanted to share my opinion
1: Antagarich is in the Northen hemispher: In MaM VI it is described to be 200 navel Miles east of Enroth.


No, it isn't.
200 miles on East of Enroth lie Regnan Islands (not Regna itself). Antagarich is futher to the East - journey between these two continents takes 6-7 weeks.
And we have this text - as far as I know, it is official from old NWC/3DO site/forum:

It was a warm, southern-hemisphere spring day. A gentle breeze blew through the wide-open windows of the Palace, finally having the chance to clear out the stale air that had been trapped inside all winter. True, this winter had been warmer than most, bringing only dismal, dreary rain on days that should have ended with a blanket of angelic, powdery snow covering the palace grounds, but today just seemed… fresh. Like a new beginning.

High above the Palace a pair of Griffins soared, riding the wind in long lazy circles. The sun glistened off the rooftops, still wet from yesterday's rain, and the sounds of the swollen Teal River could be heard over the activity in the Palace courtyard. It was almost as if nothing was wrong with the world, thought the figure who watched from the balcony of his sleeping chamber. Nothing wrong at all.

The man continued to watch, finally turning his attention to the courtyard. To his left, two mounted patrols undoubtedly discussed the latest news. One of the three-man teams was just setting out, the other had just returned. Fortunately no sign of any incursion had been seen. The Erathian capital, for now, was safe.


Dave_Jame wrote:2: The fact that Antagarich ha snow on the south of the continent is not that important. For A Vory has much more snow on it and it is north of the continent. B Bracada is a mountanines dessert. It can very well have snow. For example Atlas has good sky conditions and its souther then Rome or Spain.

These are the reasons I think Antagarich should be more north, and also.. Jadame should be somehow smaller. Imho..


Vori is cowered by frost because of Sword of Frost. AvLee located on same geographical position is not cowered by snow at all.
Bracada full name is Bracada Highlands (in oppose to Tatalia Lowlands) and Bracada Desert from MM is only small part of it. Celeste is located high in the Bracadian mountains (see Castle Lambert animation).

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Postby Slayer of Cliffracers » Jul 23 2012, 14:57

Avonu wrote:Vori is cowered by frost because of Sword of Frost. AvLee located on same geographical position is not cowered by snow at all.
Bracada full name is Bracada Highlands (in oppose to Tatalia Lowlands) and Bracada Desert from MM is only small part of it. Celeste is located high in the Bracadian mountains (see Castle Lambert animation).


So does that mean that when Kilgor removed the Sword of Frost then Vori melted?

Where is Vori's coldness being caused by the Sword of Frost actually mentioned?
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Postby ywhtptgtfo » Jul 23 2012, 19:55

Map's proportions are wrong anyway. New Sorpigal itself is bigger than half of Antagarich? Are you serious? The continent should be at least 3/4 as big as Enroth..

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Postby Avonu » Jul 24 2012, 6:24

Sea voyage from North to South of Antagarich takes 7 days.
Sea voyage from East to West of Enroth takes 21 days (and you sail onboard the fastest ship in all Enroth).
You still think that Antagarich should be as big as 3/4 of Enroth? :P

Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:So does that mean that when Kilgor removed the Sword of Frost then Vori melted?

Kilgor never removed Sword of Frost from Vori.
And yes, Vori had "melted". Didn't you pay attention to HIV intro? :P

Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:Where is Vori's coldness being caused by the Sword of Frost actually mentioned?

Go to play Heores Chronicles: Sword of Frost.
There is a pack of all 8 Chronicles available to buy by 10$ on GoG, if you don't have them.

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Postby XEL II » Jul 24 2012, 13:01

Avonu wrote:Go to play Heores Chronicles: Sword of Frost.
There is a pack of all 8 Chronicles available to buy by 10$ on GoG, if you don't have them.

To be honest, it is only stated there that the glacier around Volee, a city in Vori, was formed in the thousand years since the creation of the Sword of Frost. And Vori also has ice in the sea around the island.
Avonu wrote:Sea voyage from North to South of Antagarich takes 7 days.
Sea voyage from East to West of Enroth takes 21 days (and you sail onboard the fastest ship in all Enroth).
You still think that Antagarich should be as big as 3/4 of Enroth? :P

The travel time in MM 6-8 is mostly in the realm of game mechanics, just like the NPCs cutting it (regardless of the distance between places).

Though I surely agree with you on the size, i.e. I wouldn't say that Antagarich should be 3/4 as big as Enroth. But at least 1/2, that's for sure. It is the second major continent of the world, it's also large.
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Postby Dave_Jame » Jul 25 2012, 13:44

Avonu wrote:
Sea voyage from North to South of Antagarich takes 7 days.
Sea voyage from East to West of Enroth takes 21 days (and you sail onboard the fastest ship in all Enroth).
You still think that Antagarich should be as big as 3/4 of Enroth?

XEL II wrote: The travel time in MM 6-8 is mostly in the realm of game mechanics, just like the NPCs cutting it (regardless of the distance between places).


I woudl agree with XEL II on this topic. Just look at MaM VIII. A shipride from the far east t the west takes 6 days, the same rute back takes 4 days. and this is only the inner see. How big would Jadame have to be if we compare it to other maps And if you want to take the number of days as a messurement count, you should also think about it, as the representation of how dangerous the rute is.

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Postby Slayer of Cliffracers » Jul 26 2012, 12:17

Avonu wrote:Go to play Heores Chronicles: Sword of Frost.
There is a pack of all 8 Chronicles available to buy by 10$ on GoG, if you don't have them.


I've got all 8 Chronicles already. :D :D :D

Avonu wrote:Kilgor never removed Sword of Frost from Vori.
And yes, Vori had "melted". Didn't you pay attention to HIV intro? :P


It doesn't even mention Vori melting in Heroes IV intro. In Heroes IV intro Kilgor is armed with the Sword of Frost, I assumed that he stole it from Vori. Apparantly I am wrong but I guess I will find out soon enough how it ended up in his hands.
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Postby tolich » Jul 26 2012, 12:25

Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:he stole it from Vori.
He didn't, but Kija did.
Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:It doesn't even mention Vori melting in Heroes IV intro.
All the planet was melted, so Vori the same.

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Postby Slayer of Cliffracers » Jul 27 2012, 22:46

tolich wrote:
Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:It doesn't even mention Vori melting in Heroes IV intro.
All the planet was melted, so Vori the same.


I am talking about the time between when Sword of Frost was removed and the Reckoning.
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Postby Avonu » Jul 29 2012, 6:56

It was few weeks max between these events, so there was no time for any major climate changes. Glaciers don't melt in one day.

BTW - about Antagarich size:

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"Erathia is the second major continent to be settled in the world. It is a lot wilder and more unsafe than Enroth, and all the little kingdoms there are always bickering and fighting."

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Postby XEL II » Jul 29 2012, 13:44

Erathian kingdoms are indeed quite small compared to the huge Enroth, occuoying the whole planet's largest continents. Plus, they are quite numerous. And the actual information on the size is in the "second major continent" part :)
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Postby Avonu » Jul 29 2012, 13:55

Compare Eurasia to Africa and you will see that "second major continent" doesn't mean it is as huge or near size of as "first major continent". ;)

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Postby XEL II » Jul 29 2012, 14:00

But Antagarich is indeed quite big, having quite large territories, etc. It doesn't have to be very close in size to Enroth, but saying it's 1/3 or 1/4 of Enroth is a bit of a stretch.
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Postby Avonu » Jul 29 2012, 14:09

Don't forget that Enroth is also bigger then we saw in MM6. There were plenty of places never visited by player in MM6 - barbarian tribes on the North (conquered by Archibald during Succesion Wars), old Lamanda kingdom with sorceress and elves and many more places from HoMM2 which are not present in MM6.

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Postby GreatEmerald » Jul 29 2012, 21:09

"Second major continent" is worthless information, since you took it out of context:
Erathia is the second major continent to be settled in the world.


Basically, it means that Enroth was the first settled continent, then there were some islands that were settled, and then Antagarich was settled. There could be a third continent larger than the aforementioned two, and the statement would still be true. Antagarich could be larger than Enroth, and the statement would still be true!


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