Macros the Black wrote:
Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:However the problem only really exists if you accept the Kreegan alienvsdemon dichotomy in the first place. Which I do not.
Might and Magic 6, first sentence:
They came from the depths of the void.
That means space.
Although I must say I like your theory. It would make it a three-way struggle between preservation/order (angels), creation/balance (ancients) and destruction/chaos (devils). I don't think it's true because we simply have never gotten any information that would even point in that direction, plus the quote I just mentioned proves that devils are just aliens, but it's a nice idea.
One more thing about the Angels... They use Portals OF Glory. That's not the same as Portals FROM Glory, or even Portals TO Glory. Hence, wherever they come from, is probably not called "Glory". And not to forget that this could simply be the name humans or other races from the world of Enroth may have given these portals, just as they call the Kreegans "Devils".
I am well aware that the Kreegans on Enroth came from the void. To say that proof that something is something proves that this is ALL it IS that is small-minded in the extreme.
Nobody is claiming that space is where the ORIGINALLY came from, they at the very least came from planets?
The Angels are not permanent inhabitants of Enroth. They come from somewhere else and nobody has seen any spaceships.
As far as we know they emerge from the Portals of Glory. The Portals of Glory it is reasonable to assume are called that because of where the Angels come from.
But regardless the Angels are clearly extra-planer and since they bear a cosmic grudge against Devils (which are actually Kreegans) it is reasonable to assume that the Kreegans are in some sense extra-planer in origin or at least purpose.
Croix wrote:-Definitely. You keep stating your opinions again and again in response to people stating theirs, without adapting or changing your opinions to any notable degree. It feels almost like...you think you're in a battle with all the other posters; that your opinions are your weapon, the source material your shield. You make sure not to use any shield that might help the other person, and make sure your weapons are sharp. You feel that if you in any way admit you had a bad idea or view, it means losing ground or getting wounded.
The reason that I don't change my opinions is that simply put, my opinions are not typically seriously threatened by most people's posts, which are typically either logically contradictory or small-minded but logical.
I am not in a battle with the other posters, they are in a battle with me. Since I arrived here I have typically been almost completely disagreed with by everyone. They won't budge an inch, so why should I?
Typically my opinions are based upon the sum total of all the material I have knowledge of, when that knowledge was increased my opinions have in fact changed. This confused a lot of people in the past.
Yet people tend to attempt to use particular sources they like to "prove" their small-minded conclusions, completely ignoring the fact that other sources prove there is a lot more going on than they are trying to "prove" is the case.
Escaton wrote:In the time since the Silence, your world has lost knowledge of the Kreegan's origin. That they resemble the devils of myth has been enough for you, and indeed, "devils" is what most call them. The truth is they came from the beyond. Before they attacked us, my masters had no knowledge of them. The Kreegans infest our worlds and spread if they can. It would seem in an endless universe that they could expand in another direction than ours. But they have not made this choice so we must defend ourselves from them.
1. They "resemble" the devils of myth. Why's that?
2. What is the "beyond"? Beyond what? Given Escaton is talking on an Universal Scale, then he is not probably not talking about beyond Enroth (i.e) space, because the loss of knowledge he is referring to proceeds the arrival of the Kreegans on Enroth.
3. Escaton's masters are the Ancients. The Ancients obviously do not physically live on the worlds that are their "colonies" on a permanent basis, because Enroth and Axeoth are colonies and they have no Ancients present. They "left" according to the start of Might and Magic XI video.
Melian wrote:The Kreegan first appeared roughly 1500 years ago, attacking outlying colonies and stealing their resources. It was thought at the time they simply needed certain minerals, and could be reasoned with, but this was not the case. Their life cycle forces them to breed until the world cannot support their numbers, then they send ships off to other worlds to renew the cycle.
Sending out space-ships requires a certain very high level of technology, while their inability to establish any kind of natural balance with the worlds upon which they exist means that they would have gone extinct (or established a natural balance) long before they managed to invent spaceships capable of interstellar travel.
The Kreegans are therefore clearly artificial in origin, created by high-tech beings who could have also taught the Kreegans the space traveling technology that is essential to their very survival.
Since the Ancients had no knowledge of the Kreegans before they suddenly encountered them, the Ancients cannot have created the Kreegans. And what other Space-faring races have we got to work with?
The Kreegans are obviously the fault of beings from beyond the material universe, extra-planer creatures. Since the nature of Kreegans is so inherently destructive; these beings are clearly evil.
Because the Kreegans destroy all resources, these being obviously aren't following a natural or material agenda but a supernatural one.
Xenofex wrote:Escaton and Melian "The Oracle" respectively. Also in the M&M games including and after M&M VI, it's clearly stated many times that the Kreegans are no demons or at least not in the religious sense. The most wide-spread theory is that they are the front line troops of the Creators, probably artificially engineered with the purpose to destroy the Ancients. But I beg you, don't tell any of this to Slayer! dontknow
And if these 'Creators' created the Kreegans, what exactly is the difference between them and "demons in the religious sense"?
The Creators I mean?