Nelgirith wrote:Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:Roland was killed by the Kreegans already.
Hence why it says KING Nicolai and not PRINCE Nicolai.
Please, stop making up your version of the story. Nicolai was left in charge of Enroth (thus made King) when Roland and Catherine left for Jadame. Roland was alive in MM8.
It says King, not Prince-Regent, he is placed in charge. As the letter says, if anything should happen to me then you will become King. He is not made King, hence something evidently did happen to Roland.
Either Roland *is* dead then, or Nicolai and the rest of Enroth believed he is dead and Roland never returned to Enroth before the reckoning when he died.
Nelgirith wrote:
Slayer of Cliffracers wrote:The Kreegans obviously did survive, or else Nicolai couldn't have been fighting them before the destruction of Castle Ironfist could he? That even if the event he is reffering to is the Reckoning.
What part of "it was the Reckoning" did you not understand ?
The Kreegans were totally destroyed when MM8 happened since Escaton wanted to stop the destruction. His orders were to destroy any world that couldn't get rid of the Kreegans. He already activated the destruction of this world (causing the apparition of the Confluxes) when the Kreegans got eradicated. As he wasn't allowed to stop the process, he helped the heroes by telling them how to save their world. If any Kreegan had survived, Escaton wouldn't have intervened and would just have let the world explode.
The Reckoning just got everyone by surprise since it wasn't expected. Nicolai doesn't know what exactly happened, he only
supposes demons attacked the capital city - which wasn't the case.
No, the Kreegans are in Enroth (demolishing your claim they were destroyed) as is proven by the letter. They evidently survived.
It could be Escaton is not concerned about the primitive 'demon-kreegans' they became, only about the advanced 'alien-kreegans' that they were originally. He simply doesn't consider those kreegans sufficiently advanced (which they aren't) for the local inhabitants not to take care of.
His definition of Kreegan might be more precise than that even of the Kreegans themselves (or even anyone else). The bulk of the Kreegans had changed so much already (towards a more fantasy demon form) that Escaton no longer recognized them as the Kreegans he was supposed to destroy the world in order to stop.
Secret_Holder wrote:
Firstly, why would the Kreegans rather "throw" him into Axeoth than kill him outright.
Secondly, yes he could have escaped to Axeoth if he was unconscious. The HoMMIV intro shows Angels helping people to the portals. He wa almost certainly saved by angels.
Lastly, the earthquake wasn't a spell, it was the end of the world, caused by the Sword of Frost and Armageddon's Blade clashing.
Perhaps because the Ironfist dynasty is special and linked to the Kreegans destiny in some key way. These are devils, consequently their plans are likely a lot more subtle than merely burn and kill everything they can immediately catch.
The reason it isn't the end of the world is simply that nobody else is with him. Had he used the normal portals, presumably he would have a small army of fellow Enrothians with him, who had used the same portal.
Where are the other refugees from Enroth in Might and Magic IX? Other than the imps in Anshram Keep perhaps, there are none and no mention of them that I have encountered.
Avonu wrote:
This letter is opposite to all what we known from MM6-8 and H3. I suggest you to not take it as 100% true.
I am not taking it as 100% true. I am merely not dismissing it.
Avonu wrote:
Roland and Catherine were off on Enroth for about 10 years. When Catherine left Castle Ironfist, Nicolai was 10 years old, now he is in his twenties. He never saw his parents again - they were lost after they left Jadame.
See below why.
So even if they are not dead, Enroth believes that are dead and have crowned Nicolai King. Makes sense.
Avonu wrote:
Nicolas was named king because Roland was missing in 1162 A.S. and pressumed dead (but in fact he was captive by Kreegans on Antagarich).
Is that like Heroes III Restoration of Erathia time, Succession Wars time or pre-reckoning time. The chronology of events is confusing me here.
I know that he was unable to lead the initial fleet into Erathia. Is this what you are talking about in regard to being held captive?
Avonu wrote:
As i said, read careful. He spoke only about talking with his general about Kreegan problem. Not about war with Kreegans or they assault on castle.
Besides if you look on letter from Roland, you can guess (right or wrong - I don't know) that this Devil problem is Armageddon's Blade.
That is we can assume the last letter than Roland sent to Nicolai before his death/dissaperance. That is why it is being kept.
There must be with the Kreegans going on Enroth before the Reckoning, otherwise he would not assume that the Kreegans took the capital.
Avonu wrote:
Nope. It is what he thinks but if you played HIV you should know what really happened - earthquakes and portal to another realm - it's description of HIV intro (Reckoning).
No, it is before the reckoning, otherwise there would be a small army of other refugees from the capital as well with him. Or from various other places, or however this worked. He would consequently know better as to what went on as a result.
It cannot be the reckoning yet because there is only 1 man in Axeoth, nobody even to explain what happened.
Avonu wrote:
Nice that you want to fix what is wrong with MMIX Roland's letter but you are incorrect. In MM8 Roland said he didn't see Nicolai from a long time and the last time when he saw him, Nicolai was a boy and now he is a man. If he would returned in 1168 A.S. Nicolai should be about 13-14 years old - and I don't think you could call him a boy.
Catherine and Roland didn't go back to Enroth and next go to Antagarich once again to fight Lucifer - they were in Erathia all time between H3:RoE/MM7 and end of Armageddon's Blade campaign. After they defeated Kreegans and left succession over Gryphonheart throne in hands of Morgan Kendal, they sailed back to Enroth and visited Jadame by the way.
There is no *they* Catherine went to Erathia ALONE, Roland was captured by the Kreegans and was rendered unable to lead the fleet as a result. Roland never appeared in Erathia during the course of the Restoration of Erathia campaign (I have completed the whole thing). Catherine believes at one point that he held prisoner there and finds out that he isn't at all after launching an assault on the presumed location.
He then escapes his actual prison location and returns to Enroth, but without Queen Catherine who remains in Erathia.
The letter is dated as when Lucifer Kreegan forges the Armageddon's blade, which means it is in the Armageddon's blade campaign time. He departs to Erathia, after which something must have happened that killed him or led to him being believed dead by the people of Enroth, hence Nicolai becoming king.
Finally, when Nicolai is King (Roland and presumably Catherine are out of the way), the Kreegans invade Enroth. Otherwise he would not have believed (right or wrongly) that the Kreegans took the capital city.
Which logically means that the Kreegans were not destroyed.
But nothing technically prevents Catherine and a living Roland from re-uniting as long as they do so in such a way that the latter is believed dead by the people of Enroth and Nicolai.
Or as Corlagon put it earlier.
They were sailing back to Enroth, but were attacked by Regnan pirates and were forced to dock in Ravenshore. After that they stayed for a while to help with the Escaton crisis.
So they were believed 'lost at sea'. The reckoning must happened however before they were able to return to Enroth.