Quiz: Round #5

[Kalah]

Time for another round of fun <i>Heroes IV</i> quizzes. Solutions to the previous questions are <a href="https://www.celestialheavens.com/132803 ... ">here.</a> <img src="images/smiles/smile9.gif">



<i>8. Can creatures carrying a dead hero take:

a) an unguarded town?

b) a poorly guarded town?



9. An enemy hero is wearing a Guardians Robe and isn't under the effect of Guardian Angel. How can you kill that hero in one move?



10. How can a Phoenix hit a Mantis for more than 33 damage (no heroes or other creatures are present)?</i>



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[Dalai]

Q8. This is easy. a) No. b) Yes, hero will be resurrected at the end of the fight.
Q9. GM melee + Cat's Reflexes + Thunder Hummer (or whatever it's called - the one which hit's target with Lightning)
Q10. Anytime Phoenix is not bound by Mantis, he hits for 28/34*(45 to 65)= 37 to 53 damage, which is always more than 33. Add 25% for high morale, you get maximum 66. The problem is Mantis's First Strike which binds Phoenix and halves his damage. First Strike fails to work if target did not move. So the only way to do more damage than 33 is to be free from bind and not move before hit. That usually happens after Phoenix is resurrected after his attack. If Phoenix gets resurrected after Mantis' attack - he gets bound again. So Phoenix must wait to be low on health so that he dies after his hit, wait, hit and die, resurrect and attack (Phoenix is faster) exactly from the same position.

[Arabmoney]

wow, all those anwsers look right o.o

[cjlee]

8) No, and Yes. I think it is logically inconsistent that unguarded towns can’t be taken, but as long as battle screen can be activated, your (dead) hero can take the town.



9) Hero with Grandmaster melee with Cat Reflexes can hit 3x. Is Thunder Hammer the only solution? What about Flaming Sword – the damage is also calculated after the initial hit. It just takes a stronger hero since Thunder Hammer inflicts more damage than Flaming Sword.



10) I’m just awed by Dalai’s superb knowledge of H4. Would a simpler answer suffice? Do events count? Maybe the Mantis had bad luck prior to the fight with the phoenix?

[Dalai]

8) No, and Yes. I think it is logically inconsistent that unguarded towns can’t be taken

Agreed.

Is Thunder Hammer the only solution? What about Flaming Sword – the damage is also calculated after the initial hit. It just takes a stronger hero since Thunder Hammer inflicts more damage than Flaming Sword.

I think it'll work too. Easy to check

There is also Sword of Swiftness - adds another strike, so with GM Melee and Cat's Reflexes you'll have 4.

10) I’m just awed by Dalai’s superb knowledge of H4. Would a simpler answer suffice? Do events count? Maybe the Mantis had bad luck prior to the fight with the phoenix?

I just made the math and saw that question had second bottom. After that I launched editor and game and made several fights. You may say I cheated Though I know a guy who knows all this by heart. Including all creatures' stats.

Bad luck for Mantis and Morale for Phoenix would be enough. The problem is you can't get bad luck from fountains or other standard buildings. The question says no heroes or other creatures are present, but doesn't say a word about spells. May be other creatures and/or heroes were present before they died? If it's true than bad luck could be from either spell or event. But allowing spells from deceased heroes would open way for too many "right" answers.

[Duzeom_]

Q9
Does Death Hand spell will suffice?
I am not sure but maybe a sea monster's ability.

[CTPAHHuK]

Q8
Sure No and Yes

Q9
Does Death Hand spell will suffice?

Duzeom right. I won final game in on-line world championship 2008. I killed Taktik with robe by hand odf death

Q10
Agree with Dalai

[Dalai]

Q9
Does Death Hand spell will suffice?
I am not sure but maybe a sea monster's ability.

Both are great ideas! I did not check sea monster's ability, but I'm almost sure it'll work.
Edit: No, it does not work, just checked it. If their ability triggers - it is treated as another attack, and robe resists it if the limit of 3 attacks is not reached.

One guy in Russian forums found one more solution:
Monsters or hero with double shot (GM Archery hero, Gargantuans, Elves) + Cat's Reflexes (as always ) + Bow of Elf King.

[Duzeom_]

Yes Sea monster ability works fine with spell Guardian Angel - which cancel all additional lives.

@ Dalai

Instead of Thunder Hammer I would use a Sword of swiftness. Does potion of quickness comulates with cat reflex spell? If no it could be used instead, if yes you could do even blow 5 times in a row.

[Dalai]

Yes Sea monster ability works fine with spell Guardian Angel - which cancel all additional lives.

Right!

Instead of Thunder Hammer I would use a Sword of swiftness.

I mentioned it couple posts above this.

Does potion of quickness comulates with cat reflex spell? If no it could be used instead, if yes you could do even blow 5 times in a row.

Potion and spell have the same effect and are not stackable. You can replace spell with potion in every solution where hero is used as attacker.

[cjlee]

Dalai, when you check whether Sword of Swiftness works, please let us all know the version you are using.



When I played Heroes 4 Gathering Storm (don't remember patching it; maybe it was auto-patched), I found that Sword of Swiftness did not stack with Cat Reflexes. My barbarian could never achieve 4 hits. Maybe Hexis' Evil Sorcs dispelled it - but I don't remember a single instance of getting 4 hits. Mongo couldn't hit 4 times either, but he didn't have a supporting spellcaster.

[Dalai]

Dalai, when you check whether Sword of Swiftness works, please let us all know the version you are using.

When I played Heroes 4 Gathering Storm (don't remember patching it; maybe it was auto-patched), I found that Sword of Swiftness did not stack with Cat Reflexes. My barbarian could never achieve 4 hits. Maybe Hexis' Evil Sorcs dispelled it - but I don't remember a single instance of getting 4 hits. Mongo couldn't hit 4 times either, but he didn't have a supporting spellcaster.

Just checked with Equilibris 3.51 and WOW 3.0. Cat's Reflexes and Sword of Swiftness allowed my GM Melee Barbarian kill the Mage in Robe of Guardian with 4 hits in one round. Just as expected.

[Kalah]

Here we have some possible solutions.

Question 8:
a) No.
b) Yes, assuming they can beat the town's guards. The hero is resurrected at the end of the battle.

Question 9:
a) Use Hand of Death spell on that hero. If (s)he is resurrected later in the battle, the Guardians Robe bonus is still in effect.
b) Retribution/Pain Mirror and strong Fire Aura on Efreeti/Pyromancer/hero with Brimstone Brestplate.
c) strong Fire Aura on Crusaders; Magic Mirror plus Pain Mirror also works if the enemy has a Flaming Sword but, strangely, not if he has a Thunder Hammer.
d) Cast Inferno/Fireball/Fire Ring/Armageddon/Chain Lightning/Life Drain/Sparks/Holy Shout on stacks the hero is protecting with Martyr.
e) Cast Inferno/Fireball/Sparks(Fire Ring doesn't work unless it's that enemy hero who casts it) on a closely packed group of stacks protected with Magic Mirror; the enemy hero should be somewhere in the middle of the group.

Question 10:
Wait, fly to the Mantis without attacking, attack without moving to cancel first strike. Another solution: wait, attack, Mantis gets good morale(or Phoenix gets bad morale) and for some reason flies away, Phoenix attacks without retaliation.

[Maciek]

Q9: Medusas will also do the trick if the enemy hero has little to no magic resistance.

By the way, some of the questions in this quiz were inspired by this ancient thread started on HC by Wub. It will matter in 1 or 2 questions in this quiz.